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    Quote Originally Posted by Anaximander View Post
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    Pointless discussion.

    You're all brothers that just speak a different language at home.

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    A familiar dude got his ancestry test results



    @Batman, the languages aren't even that different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Invictus- View Post
    A familiar dude got his ancestry test results



    @Batman, the languages aren't even that different...
    Telling us we are closest to Bulgarians genetically as if we don’t already know.

    On Gedmatch, we don’t all get Bulgarian as number one. Some get Greek Thessaly and some Romanian, like me:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Romanian 3.03
    2 Bulgarian 3.5
    3 Serbian 6.64
    4 Greek_Thessaly 9.42
    5 Moldavian 12.94
    6 Tuscan 14.03
    7 North_Italian 14.63
    8 Hungarian 14.71
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 14.93
    10 Croatian 15.62
    11 Central_Greek 16.03
    12 West_Sicilian 16.7
    13 Austrian 16.96
    14 East_Sicilian 17.19
    15 Ashkenazi 19.03
    16 East_German 19.08
    17 French 19.47
    18 West_German 19.82
    19 Portuguese 19.98
    20 South_Italian 20.27


    Also, he mentions the Ottoman census as if it was an ethnic census. How dumb can you get. If it was an ethnic census, it means that there was thousands of ethnic Greeks living in Skopje. But ‘Greek’ in the Ottoman census was he who was an adherent to the Greek church.

    He even mentions Protestants and Catholics being counted as other in the census. Isn’t that proof enough that it was a religious census.

    This guy can think what he wants, but if he is going to act so enlightened then he should get some simple historical facts right.

    Again as I mentioned before. He reads Wikipedia at face value. He seems to not have any critical thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Telling us we are closest to Bulgarians genetically as if we don’t already know.

    On Gedmatch, we don’t all get Bulgarian as number one. Some get Greek Thessaly and some Romanian, like me:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Romanian 3.03
    2 Bulgarian 3.5
    3 Serbian 6.64
    4 Greek_Thessaly 9.42
    5 Moldavian 12.94
    6 Tuscan 14.03
    7 North_Italian 14.63
    8 Hungarian 14.71
    9 Italian_Abruzzo 14.93
    10 Croatian 15.62
    11 Central_Greek 16.03
    12 West_Sicilian 16.7
    13 Austrian 16.96
    14 East_Sicilian 17.19
    15 Ashkenazi 19.03
    16 East_German 19.08
    17 French 19.47
    18 West_German 19.82
    19 Portuguese 19.98
    20 South_Italian 20.27


    Also, he mentions the Ottoman census as if it was an ethnic census. How dumb can you get. If it was an ethnic census, it means that there was thousands of ethnic Greeks living in Skopje. But ‘Greek’ in the Ottoman census was he who was an adherent to the Greek church.

    He even mentions Protestants and Catholics being counted as other in the census. Isn’t that proof enough that it was a religious census.

    This guy can think what he wants, but if he is going to act so enlightened then he should get some simple historical facts right.

    Again as I mentioned before. He reads Wikipedia at face value. He seems to not have any critical thinking.
    According to that census, I am Greek as were many other Patriarchist villages around Bitolsko and further north

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    Guys, quote by Gotse Delchev (probably madeup as I haven't find any source of him saying that) or an interview by Boris Sarafov, in your signatures, is quite controversial to your claims. Put something by Lazar Kolishevski for example. Or at least some early Macedonist like Pulevski or communist like Vlahov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lioncourt View Post
    Guys, quote by Gotse Delchev (probably madeup as I haven't find any source of him saying that) or an interview by Boris Sarafov, in your signatures, is quite controversial to your claims. Put something by Lazar Kolishevski for example. Or at least some early Macedonist like Pulevski or communist like Vlahov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vojnik View Post
    Telling us we are closest to Bulgarians genetically as if we don’t already know.

    On Gedmatch, we don’t all get Bulgarian as number one. Some get Greek Thessaly and some Romanian, like me:
    Then you probably have some Vlach blood in your veins. Vlachs took a big part and had a respectable place in the Second Bulgarian Kingdom - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second...e#Nomenclature

    "During Kaloyan's reign, the state was sometimes known as being of both Bulgarians and Vlachs."

    "An alternative name used in connection with the pre-mid 13th century period is the Empire of Vlachs and Bulgars;[12] variant names include the Vlach–Bulgarian Empire, the Bulgarian–Wallachian Empire,[13] or the Romanian–Bulgarian Empire; the latter name was used exclusively in Romanian historiography.[14]"

    I guess that's the reason why Bulgarians today are situated in a cluster with Macedonians and Romanians - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneti...NA_and_overall

    "The overall data situates the southeastern group (Bulgarians and Macedonians) in a cluster with Romanians, and they are at similar proximity to Gagauzes, Montenegrins and Serbs who are not part of another cluster but are described as 'in between' clusters.[8] Macedonians and Romanians consistently appear to be among the most related to Bulgarians by au, mt, and Y-DNA[8] a conclusion backed also by a pan-European autosomal study investigating 500,568 SNP (loci) of 1,387 Europeans and including 1 or 2 Bulgarians,[50] other more or less extensive data sets situate Bulgarians and Romanians as their nearest .[51][52][53]"

    About the Ottoman census and Bobby's explanation you are right. He isn't the brightest person. The genetic test result is the most important part of his video.

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