Why do many famous Poles have Germanic names

[Rethel]

Why do many famous Poles have Germanic names
Are Germanic names also common among "every-day" Polish population?

Not so many. Among "famous" it is circa 10%. I guess it is also an average percentage of PolGermans in whole country. In most groups to which I belonged, german names had also such propotions, and I live in the one of the least german influenced regions.

[Rethel]

For example among polish politicians it looks like that:

MEPs:

Confederation: 3/11 = 27%
Coalition of Oportunists 24/134 = 18%
Lawlessness and Unjustice aka Pro Israeli System 37/235 = 16%
Commies: 8/48 = 16%
Peasants: 4/30 = 13%
No membership: 2/2 = 100%

Zusammen: 78/460 = 17%

Senate: 17/100 = 17%

Government: 4-5/22 = 18-22%

I counted clear Germans (including couple possible Jews, 1-2 other germanic names plus clearly
polonized Germans) and possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root).

So, taking this unto account, it can be safely said, that some or at least 10% is of German provenance.

The most germanized parlamentary party seems to be the most pro-independence one and the only anti-covidiocy one.

[Lucas]

For example among polish politicians it looks like that:

MEPs:

Confederation: 3/11 = 27%
Coalition of Oportunists 24/134 = 18%
Lawlessness and Unjustice aka Pro Israeli System 37/235 = 16%
Commies: 8/48 = 16%
Peasants: 4/30 = 13%
No membership: 2/2 = 100%

Zusammen: 78/460 = 17%

Senate: 17/100 = 17%

Government: 4-5/22 = 18-22%

I counted clear Germans (including couple possible Jews, 1-2 other germanic names plus clearly
polonized Germans) and possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root).

So, taking this unto account, it can be safely said, that some or at least 10% is of German provenance.

The most germanized parlamentary party seems to be the most pro-independent one and the only anti-covidiocy one.

What is your example of
"possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root)" ?

[Rethel]

What is your example of
"possible Germans (name is 50:50 polish/german or based on german root)" ?

50:50 For example Krupka (from PiS) or Gill (without any party). It could be both ways.
Based on german root, very rare among MEPs, for example Sasin or Lenartowicz.

[Lucas]

50:50 For example Krupka (from PiS) or Gill (without any party). It could be both ways.
Based on german root, very rare among MEPs, for example Sasin or Lenartowicz.

Sasin is textbook Saxon

[Rethel]

Seym-MEPs:

Rather clear german names:

1. Małgorzata Wassermann
2. Łukasz Schreiber
3. Piotr Muller
4. Arkadiusz Mularczyk
5. Radosław Fogiel
6. Jan Krzysztof Ardanowski
7. Jarosław Sellin
8. Paweł Szefernaker
9. Tadeusz Cymański
10. Anna Schmidt-Rodziewicz
11. Zbigniew Rau
12. Iwona Arent
13. Marek Ast
14. Wojciech Szarama
15. Andrzej Gut-Mostowy
16. Czesław Hoc
17. Jerzy Materna
18. Jerzy Paul
19. Piotr Sak
20. Waldemar Andzel
21. Teresa Glenc
22. Zbigniew Hoffmann
23. Rafał Weber
24. Katarzyna Lubnauer
25. Joanna Kluzik-Rostkowska
26. Iwona Hartwich
27. Ireneusz Raś
28. Tomasz Lenz
29. Paulina Henning-Kloska
30. Sławomir Neumann
31. Paweł Papke
32. Joanna Frydrych
33. Konrad Frysztak
34. Elżbieta Gelert
35. Rajmund Miler
36. Piotr Zientarski
37. Marek Hok
38. Mirosława Nykiel
39. Tomasz Olichwer
40. Paweł Szramka
41. Adrian Zandberg
42. Joanna Scheuring-Wielgus
43. Andrzej Szejna
44. Romuald Ajchler
45. Janusz Korwin-Mikke
46. Grzegorz Braun
47. Konrad Berkowicz - added, seems be both ways, but comes from Walddeutsche area, so can be rather german.
48. Katarzyna Ueberhan
49. Małgorzata Sekuła-Szmajdzińska
50. Paweł Bejda
51. Władysław Dajczak
52. Ryszard Galla, MEP of german minority - but could be both ways?

And this is allready 11%.


Names showing possible ethnic germanic origin, and here could be also nr 50.

1. Jacek Sasin
2. Stanisław Szwed
3. Małgorzata Niemczyk

And one english like:

Jerzy Hardie Douglas

= 12%.

Surnames of possible german; or double polish or german
origin; or build on german first name or on germanism.
At least half of them actually could be german.


1. Anna Krupka
2. Ewa Leniart
3. Michał Woś
4. Paweł Rychlik
5. Patryk Wicher
6. Zdzisław Sipiera
7. Michał Jach
8. Grzegorz Lorek
9. Robert Telus
10. Mariusz Trepka
11. Agnieszka Soin
12. Grzegorz Schetyna - total guess, who knows.
13. Michał Jaros
14. Kamila Gasiuk-Pihowicz
15. Sławomir Nitras
16. Bogusław Sonik
17. Arkadiusz Myrcha
18. Marta Golbik
19. Klaudia Jachira
20. Adam Cyrański
21. Gabriela Lenartowicz
22. Aleksander Miszalski
23. Stanisław Tyszka
24. Marek Biernacki
25. Jolanta Fedak
26. Dariusz Klimczak
27. Andrzej Rozenek
28. Marek Dyduch
29. Tomasz Trela
30. Hanna Gill-Piątek
31. Monika Falej
32. Krzysztof Bosak
33. Ryszard Terlecki

Germeniazed slavic names:

Piotr Babinetz
Kazimierz Plocke

[Lucas]

Seym-MEPs:

Rather clear german names:



27. Ireneusz Raś
36. Piotr Zientarski
49. Małgorzata Sekuła-Szmajdzińska
50. Paweł Bejda
51. Władysław Dajczak

Should be rather in possible Germans?

If yes, Brejza also is counted.

[Rethel]

Should be rather in possible Germans?

If yes, Brejza also is counted.

I had some doubts too, but:

Raś - hard to find clear polish etymology and is mostly present in Taubdeutsche's area.
Zientarski - from Zientara, this from german Sinter.
Szmajdzińska - rather clear Schmeide, I don't know right now about some slavic root here.
Bejda - could be from beide.
Dajczak - from Dajczer, this from Deutscher I guess. Rather a Pole would not be called like that.

Brejza is in Senate. This above was taken from the list of new meps right after voting in 2019.

[Peterski]

Rethel,

According to this guy in the link (user olszak-przytycki):

https://genealodzy.pl/PNphpBB2-viewt...459aa81c.phtml

^^^ Percentage of foreign surnames among Poles is:

German surnames - ca. 5%
Ukrainian surnames - ca. 4.5%
Belarusiian surnames - ca. 1%
Czech surnames - ca. 0.5%
Russian surnames - ca. 0.04%
Slovak surnames - ca. 0.03%
Sorbian surnames - ca. 0.008%

If you think that German surnames are more common (ca. 10-20% ???) then maybe you should contact him and tell him.

I would like to see some "final" and objective estimate.

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