View Poll Results: What would be the ideal future of Belgium

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  • Partition along ethnolinguistic lines and creation of independent states?

    1 7.14%
  • Partition, but followed by union of Wallonia with France and an independent Flanders?

    0 0%
  • Partition and then union of Wallonia with France and also of Flanders with the Netherlands?

    9 64.29%
  • Keep Belgium as united or rather federal state?

    4 28.57%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Everyone's mixed. I said I support it because of ethnolinguistics. To me, monoethnic states make more sense than confused multiethnic ones. But both can still prosper (like Switzerland for example) if the circumstances are right.

    But if you want to get all ancient history, its probably true that Flemings have closer ancestry with Walloons than with Dutch people from the Netherlands. Genetically, the Netherlands has about three clusters while Belgium is just one cluster.
    Belgium is already a federation. Maybe there is some 'cold' war (no definitive treaties) in Belgium, but Belgian people are united and live under a monarchy.

    Federation is a very good model, think of Canada. Land of the English and French (Quebec) speaking population, and it works very well.

    And it doesn't even matter . There is already an administrative division in Belgium We have our own Vlaams Parlement. So, power in Belgium is decentralized.


    Also, since Belgium is part of the EU (and BENELUX) it doesn’t matter anymore, since the EU is becoming more important than the nation states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Wasn't it made the capital due to being the biggest city in the Ranstad area? Or did the Ranstad area become important after it was made capital? If I'm not mistaken, Holland was by far the most important region of the Netherlands even in the past. I came across some Dutch diaries in Indonesia before where the people called their country Holland due to how important it was. Most English people and other foreigners likely started referring to the Netherlands as "Holland" from at least the end of the Middle Ages.

    What's the functional difference between Amsterdam and the Hague? Are both capitals?

    There was no Randstad in those days. That concept only came up well over 100 years later. Amsterdam doesn't, frankly, have a real constitutional role (other than this being the place where the monarch is coronated), The Hague houses all functions of government. And, yes, Holland was very important but that only came to pass DURING the Eighty Years' War, when the Spanish pretty much burned the whole of Flanders and Brabant (including Antwerp - its principal port) to the ground - which was followed by the Dutch closing off the Scheldt river that connects Antwerp to the North Sea. The whole Flemish and Brabantine elite fled to Holland and mingled with the local Holland elite. This created, to make a long story very short, the Dutch Golden Age.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eline View Post
    Belgium is already a federation. Maybe there is some 'cold' war (no definitive treaties) in Belgium, but Belgian people are united and live under a monarchy.

    Federation is a very good model, think of Canada. Land of the English and French (Quebec) speaking population, and it works very well.

    And it doesn't even matter . There is already an administrative division in Belgium We have our own Vlaams Parlement. So, power in Belgium is decentralized.


    Also, since Belgium is part of the EU (and BENELUX) it doesn’t matter anymore, since the EU is becoming more important than the nation states.

    Belgium is so united that you hold the official record in time that it takes to form a government. Neither parties speak each other's language or run for office in the other area. You must be trolling btw as the EU has been in a state of collapse fot the last 10 years. A process which was speeded up by Brexit and now even more during its ineptitude shown during the Covid-crisis.



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    Bloei, o land, in eendracht niet te breken;

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E...litical_crisis

    https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regering-Michel_II

    Aantreden 9 december 2018
    Ontslagnemend 21 december 2018
    Einddatum 27 oktober 2019


    So how many cabinets did you have since 1945 ? Was it more or just a couple less than Italy ? It can't be by much. You used to have a prime minister that started singing the French anthem when he was asked to sing the Belgian one. That would be Yves Leterme for you.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Belgium is so united that you hold the official record in time that it takes to form a government. Neither parties speak each other's language or run for office in the other area. You must be trolling btw as the EU has been in a state of collapse fot the last 10 years. A process which was speeded up by Brexit and now even more during its ineptitude shown during the Covid-crisis.
    What do you think of Italy then?

    The EU will become even more powerful in the future, it is finished with the nation states in Europe!

    Nu snap ik het. Je denkt niet in het belang van de Vlamingen, maar het liefst wil je België weghebben in het belang van eigen land (economie). Waarschijnlijk volg je met argusogen hoe de haven van Antwerpen zich positief aan het ontwikkelen is in tegenstelling tot Rotterdam.

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    It is so funny, non-Belgians who don’t even know where Belgium is on the map think they are professors in the Belgian matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eline View Post
    What do you think of Italy then?


    Nu snap ik het. Je denkt niet in het belang van de Vlamingen, maar het liefst wil je België weghebben in het belang van eigen land (economie). Waarschijnlijk volg je met argusogen hoe de haven van Antwerpen zich positief aan het ontwikkelen is in tegenstelling tot Rotterdam.

    Nooit van kerncentrale Borssele gehoord?
    Borssele ? Dat ding gaat nog sluiten maar het ding is er een stuk beter aan toe dan Doel of Tilhange. Eerst staat Petten op de lijst. En ja: natuurlijk staat ons eigenbelang voorop. Een eigenbelang waar de Vlamingen in zouden kunnen delen door die failliete boel waar ze steeds maar geld aan de PS moeten overmaken failliet te verklaren en eruit te stappen. Terug naar hun eigen mensen. En Antwerpen ontwikkeld zich dan wel redelijk maar het is nog geen Rotterdam en dat gaat het ook niet worden. Maar dat zou het wel worden als Vlaanderen zich bij Nederland aan zou sluiten.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eline View Post
    It is so funny, non-Belgians who don’t even know where Belgium is on the map think they are professors in the Belgian matters.

    I used to live smack on the border.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Eline View Post
    What do you think of Italy then?

    The EU will become even more powerful in the future, it is finished with the nation states in Europe!
    The EU is already dead. It's bankrupt and has no real way to force states to do its bidding once they rise up. It's in the process of decomposition because those Eurobonds will never pass and the Dutch and Germans will quicker to leave than to sign it and no... the Flemish will likely not be willing to stay in that bankrupt construction either. As for Italy: the only reason why they are still surviving is because the North does what the Flemish do in "Belgium": fund the impoverished corrupt South.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Luister, vrouwke. Ik ga het je duidelijk maken: of Nederland en Vlaanderen samen doorgaan interesseert mij niets maar jullie kunnen als met de Walen nog niet eens een deugdelijke regering vormen en jullie hebben een paar levensgevaarlijke kerncentrales pal (en ook heel doelbewust) op onze grens gezet (Doel en Tilhange). Jullie riskeren daarmee niet slechts jullie eigen levens maar ook die van ons en dat is door successieve federale (en toen nog nationale regeringen) doelbewust zo opgezet !

    België is dus een instabiele staat OP ONZE GRENZEN dus hoe sneller die staat verdwijnt, hoe beter het is voor Nederland, Frankrijk en Duitsland. Jij zelf hebt het over de Benelux ? Die is trouwens al zo goed als dood. Hetzelfde geld trouwens ook voor de EU dus we gaan weer terug in de tijd naar die van stabiele staten. Wat in Nederland's interesse is, is dat Doel en Tilhange z.s.m dichtgaan en - natuurlijk ook dat mocht de zaak danig uit de klauwen lopen, dat we ook de Schelde af kunnen sluiten.

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