Ideal future of Belgium?

[Eline]

And I like Brussels and Paris much more than Amsterdam!

[The Lawspeaker]

This would come closest to what I would do:



Except I would diminish Holland's power (eventhough I would reunite North and South like here) by re-uniting Brabant as well as Flanders and Limburg. Zealandic Flanders would go to Flanders as well. If Flanders would rejoin the Netherlands, there would also be no more reason for the Dutch to block either a canal or railway connecting the port of Antwerp to Germany or to prevent it from expanding. In fact: we would have five major ports then: Zeebrugge, Antwerpen, Rotterdam, Amsterdam and the Eemshaven and several smaller ones like the ones at Ghent and Terneuzen, the Moerdijk, Bergen op Zoom, Dordrecht and Den Helder.

Amsterdam should never have been made the capital anyway: it didn't have a political function during the Republic as it was purely due to lobbying. The natural capital of the Netherlands is Brussels and The Hague was just a temporal solution grown permanent.

[Eline]

I voted for the partition because I think it makes more sense for countries to be divided based on ethnolinguistics.

But I don't really care if it stays united. I don't have a vested interest in the issue. I wasn't the one that started the thread.

The main Gemanic ancestors of the Dutch (Holland) were the Batavi (Germanic tribe), while we had different Belgae ancestors (a mixture between the Germanic Franks (Nervii) and Celtic tribes such as Menapii).


Do you support the division of Turkey, since Turks as race are much more different from the Kurds than people in Belgium.


People from Antwerp have no issues with people in Brussels

[The Lawspeaker]

^ The Belgae hadn't existed for 2000 years as the Romans slaughtered them into extinction so you're telling us bullshit again. Same goes for the Batavii who got replaced during the Great Migrations. The Dutch and Flemish have exactly the same ancestors: the Franks, in the Eastern part of the Netherlands it's the Saxons and in the North (and partially in the West), the Frisians.

[The Lawspeaker]

Remain Belgium. Ethno-nationalism is overrated and outdated. Just because Walloons speak French or Flemish Dutch doesn't make them in mentality, way of life or historical experiences kin with other Dutch or French. Pretty sure they would feel alien and different in these countries because they have been their own thing with their own history for enough long time.

Also, screw Republics. Most stable and best countries in Europe are Monarchies. Fuck the French Revolution.

I agree: make Croatia part of Yugoslavia again. Wasn't their king a Serb ?

[Mingle]

The main Gemanic ancestors of the Dutch (Holland) were the Batavi (Germanic tribe), while we had different Belgae ancestors (a mixture between the Germanic Franks (Nervii) and Celtic tribes such as Menapii).

Everyone's mixed. I said I support it because of ethnolinguistics. To me, monoethnic states make more sense than confused multiethnic ones. But both can still prosper (like Switzerland for example) if the circumstances are right.

But if you want to get all ancient history, its probably true that Flemings have closer ancestry with Walloons than with Dutch people from the Netherlands. Genetically, the Netherlands has about three clusters while Belgium is just one cluster.

Do you support the division of Turkey, since Turks as race are much more different from the Kurds than people in Belgium.

That's off topic and I don't see how my answer to that changes anything, but yes.

[Eline]

Waarom ben je tegen België?

Jij gaat je zin niet krijgen. Tijd om op belangrijkere zaken te richten.


Wallonië en Vlaanderen blijven 1 land, namelijk België.

[The Lawspeaker]

Waarom ben je tegen België?

Jij gaat je zin niet krijgen. Tijd om op belangrijkere zaken te richten.


Wallonië en Vlaanderen blijven 1 land, namelijk België.

Luister, vrouwke. Ik ga het je duidelijk maken: of Nederland en Vlaanderen samen doorgaan interesseert mij niets maar jullie kunnen als met de Walen nog niet eens een deugdelijke regering vormen en jullie hebben een paar levensgevaarlijke kerncentrales pal (en ook heel doelbewust) op onze grens gezet (Doel en Tilhange). Jullie riskeren daarmee niet slechts jullie eigen levens maar ook die van ons en dat is door successieve federale (en toen nog nationale regeringen) doelbewust zo opgezet !

België is dus een instabiele staat OP ONZE GRENZEN dus hoe sneller die staat verdwijnt, hoe beter het is voor Nederland, Frankrijk en Duitsland. Jij zelf hebt het over de Benelux ? Die is trouwens al zo goed als dood. Hetzelfde geld trouwens ook voor de EU dus we gaan weer terug in de tijd naar die van stabiele staten. Wat in Nederland's interesse is, is dat Doel en Tilhange z.s.m dichtgaan en - natuurlijk ook dat mocht de zaak danig uit de klauwen lopen, dat we ook de Schelde af kunnen sluiten.

[Mingle]

This would come closest to what I would do:



Except I would diminish Holland's power (eventhough I would reunite North and South like here) by re-uniting Brabant as well as Flanders and Limburg. Zealandic Flanders would go to Flanders as well. If Flanders would rejoin the Netherlands, there would also be no more reason for the Dutch to block either a canal or railway connecting the port of Antwerp to Germany or to prevent it from expanding. In fact: we would have five major ports then: Zeebrugge, Antwerpen, Rotterdam, Amsterdam and the Eemshaven and several smaller ones like the ones at Ghent and Terneuzen, the Moerdijk, Bergen op Zoom, Dordrecht and Den Helder.

Amsterdam should never have been made the capital anyway: it didn't have a political function during the Republic as it was purely due to lobbying. The natural capital of the Netherlands is Brussels and The Hague was just a temporal solution grown permanent.

Wasn't it made the capital due to being the biggest city in the Ranstad area? Or did the Ranstad area become important after it was made capital? If I'm not mistaken, Holland was by far the most important region of the Netherlands even in the past. I came across some Dutch diaries in Indonesia before where the people called their country Holland due to how important it was. Most English people and other foreigners likely started referring to the Netherlands as "Holland" from at least the end of the Middle Ages.

What's the functional difference between Amsterdam and the Hague? Are both capitals?

[samario]

To be honest, Belgium was Frenchified. The are surrouding Brussels will probably end up speaking French, too. So my best bet would be that the northern part of Flanders go to the Netherlands and the Brussels area and Wallonia to France.