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This.Originally Posted by L3mon J3lly
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Who is this one, Teutone or PaleoEuropean?:
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For the people saying that WHGs could have been light skinned:
There is significant WHG admixture in modern Euros, so if WHGs had light skin genes, GWAS studies would find genes from WHG that correlate with light skin in Europeans.
Instead, it's the exact opposite; the few people with WHG-related pigmentation variants have darker skin and all of the depigmenting alleles in modern Euros come from bronze age Steppe pastoralists and ENF. Also, the WHG-admixed European farmers had darker skin than the earlier ENF migrants. There is not a single study to support any of the claims made in here by PaleoEuropean or his associates. It's fucking over for WHG worshippers.
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Who is this one, Teutone or PaleoEuropean?:
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There is nothing "WHG" about this guy.
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The reconstructions and artist's drawings of WHG are all imaginary, and not based on any genetic evidence. Adrie and Alfons Kenis created the Cheddar Man reconstruction in their basement; and forensic reconstruction is not a science.
There is absolutely no proof, I repeat, none whatsoever, that WHG had evolved modern human skin texture, facial tissue, and hairlessness. They were skeletally modern, but may have had subhuman monkey faces, gorilla skin texture, and chimpanzee-like fur.
WHG might well have looked like this:
There is some archeological evidence for this. The Venus of Brassempouy is a bust of a WHG ancestor, and it completely lacks the features of an anatomically modern human. Its face is as flat as an australopithecus, and its cheekbone morphology and lower facial prognathism are more similar to Homo Erectus. This is, in spite of the fact that skeletally and behaviorally, the individual must have been a modern human.
The chronologically much more recent cave paintings from La Marche, France show WHG with mixed features. Most of them appear to have prominent (human) noses, but many of them display the ape-like prognathism of Brassempouy. Others appear to be monstrously deformed, and resemble burn victims:
Based on the actual evidence the WHG left behind of themselves, plus the genetic evidence, we can conclude:
1). They may had not fully evolved modern human soft features, such as smooth, unwrinkled skin, furlessness, prominent noses, an orthognathic soft palate, etc. At least, there is no genetic evidence for this, and the Venus of Brassempuoy and the La Marche cave paintings indicate subhuman features.
2.) They were black skinned and black haired.
3.) Modern Europeans, if they were 100% WHG, would be lower subhumans than even the Australoids.
4.) Anyone carrying a direct parental descent marker from this truly subhuman population cannot be considered European, or even human. Efforts should be made to identify and expel such people from European societies.
Fairly close impressions of what WHG would have looked like when EHG first saw them:
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lol, why so biased?
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I'm not biased, the biased people are XenophobicPrussian and his buttbudies, who say bullshit like "there is no such thing as steppe features", when everybody knows that blond hair is from the Eastern Steppe, as is Northern European height, certain facial features, light skin, etc.
My assessment is based in reality. The reality says that WHG had none of the genetic architecture that codes for light skin in modern humans, with the exception of the blue eye alleles that faintly affect skin pigmentation, and that no modern human has any light skin alleles that came from WHG. So WHG were, at the very least, darker than African Americans, and possibly as black as the blackest Bantu.
This makes sense, because the WHG were genetically isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years. They had the original anatomically modern human (AMH) phenotype, which means their bones were, for the most part, unlike those of archaic hominids. But we don't know exactly when human skin became smooth, and when we lost our fur. It is probable that we lost our fur before our ancestors left Africa, but Neanderthal admixture would have implanted fur genes, and possibly Chimpanzee-like skin genes in modern humans.
Remember, there has been 40,000 years of natural selection against Neanderthal DNA in modern humans. WHG may have been behind the rest of humanity in this regard. It is possible they had a Neanderthal skin and fur phenotype. We know from Steven Churchill that Neanderthals almost certainly had fur, like Chimapnzees do. People assuming that WHG were unwrinkly, relatively hairless and looked just like Jesus Christ is the absolute stupidest and most desperate coping mechanism I have ever seen. The genetic data, skull evidence and the archaeological evidence makes clear that they were black skinned, had black hair and monstrously prognathic lower faces. The 20th century assumption that they were white just because they had a few facial features similar to Caucasoids was mistaken.
What we call "Europeans" today evolved further east in Eastern Europe and the Steppes, and migrated to Western Europe. WHGs were a bunch of monsters who only had modern human skeletons and mostly human skull features, but that was only 1 stage in human evolution. It tells us nothing about skin. WHG had fully failed to evolve modern light skin and facial features, just 8,000 years ago, despite light skin and blond hair evolving 16,000 years ago in the Steppes. That means they were genetically almost totally isolated and not subject to the evolutionary processes that created our modern phenotype. WHG really were nasty, inbred, evil, subhuman gorilla fucks. It's absolutely horrifying and nauseating to contemplate, and most people don't even want to think about it. But it makes perfect sense when you actually absorb the information with a detached perspective. The Cheddar Man reconstruction is idealized. In real life he was furry and had chimp skin. Regardless of what anyone thinks, there's no denying WHG was black. The black skin and hair are the least disconcerting differences between them and us. The differences probably go much deeper than that.
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Why were Yamnaya predominately black haired and brown eyed then? Was it due only to their CHG admixture?
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Yamnaya weren't black haired but brown haired, and yeah it's probably admixture with CHG, or simply with other Steppe groups who had dark pigmentation (they were varied in pigmentagion).
The Samara HG, wasn't dark haired, but blond, and Corded Ware had light haired/light eyed individuals, as did Andronovo/Sintashta. Yamnaya and Afanasievo were.the odd man out as far as pigmentation goes, and that's based on single fossil sites; who knows, we will likely uncover blond Yamnaya/Afanasievo from other sites in the future. There'a no doubt blond ancestors went in to their genesis.
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