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    Quote Originally Posted by Halgurd View Post
    The mtdna of the Taforalt skeletons was almost exclusively u6, except for 1 individual. Maybe this was the original mtdna paired with E-M78/E-V13?
    U6 was found in Dzudzuana samples, Taforalt was 55% Dzudzuana related and 45% ANA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    Natufians got E from Taforalt admixture, via the mashubians. Its was the dominated Y-DNA (with some Anatolian_N Y-DNA such as T and G on the side) until the Bronze, when Iran_N/Iran_Chl/CHG linages began to dominated the rest of the middle with J. I see Levent_N/PPNB carrying E males as the spreaders of Afro Asiatic languages
    Yes but Natufians were a different clade. They were E-M123 which is not ancestral to V13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halgurd View Post
    Yes but Natufians were a different clade. They were E-M123 which is not ancestral to V13.
    I was talking about E-M215 in general not just M123. Natufians had other E clades aswell. Either way, they detected omotic and taforalt releated ancesty in Natufians. I believe pre-E levatine hunter gatherers was CT* before the mashubian intrusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    As I said in the pevious taforalt thread, E came from ANA in Iberomasurian
    So pure ANA would have been almost exclusively E? Also can you post a link that shows taforalt samples score dzudzuna? I thought Iberomaurusians were like 80 percent plus pure ANA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    So pure ANA would have been almost exclusively E? Also can you post a link that shows taforalt samples score dzudzuna? I thought Iberomaurusians were like 80 percent plus pure ANA.
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1

    Natufians were 20% CT, I believe pre-E levatine hunter gatherers was CT* before the mashubian intrusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1

    Natufians were 20% CT, I believe pre-E levatine hunter gatherers was CT* before the mashubian intrusion
    That link doesn’t really say anything about Iberomaurusian genetics. I remember reading somewhere else that Iberomaurusians were mainly ANA and some sub Saharan admixture. Genetically they were different from natufians. Natufians did have a good chunk of admixture from North Africa but either way they were different due to local hunter gatherer admixture and other admixtures. They were also phenotypically different from skeletal comparisons made between them. Iberomaurusians were pure mechtoids and natufians weren’t. And natufians aren’t important in the conversation of where E-V13 comes from because not a single Natufian sample was found to be carrying E-M78.


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    It seems that Rocinante was banned for saying the truth after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    It seems that Rocinante was banned for saying the truth after all
    Except R1b is Afroasiatic which he did not like to mention only troll people with E like a wild monkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    While the very basal root of the branch of the HAPLOGROUP E is African, this particular subclade can be attributed to farmers-- at least that is what I think. I wouldn't be surprised if it originated in northwest Africa. There most have been some major migrations. Since the 7,000-year-old Neolithic farmer from northern Spain had E1b1b V13, he has been in Europe for quite a long time. I bet it spreads to forestry, but I don't know it happened earlier. This does not clarify that the high volume of E1b1b in central France is 10-15% and 15-20%. This explains, however, all the E1b1b in that stretch from Romania to Germany and southern Sweden and Norway. However, about 10% of South-Eastern Europe still does not belong to E1b1b V13. Its distribution seems quite similar to that of Linear potter culture and Rossen from our migration maps of Europe. But mainly because of the spread of the Germanic Italo Celtic R1b1a2a1a L11 and the spread of the Balto Slavic R1a1a1b1 Z283 which significantly changed the Y DNA in Eastern and Western Europe. Who knows what the percentages for each haplogroup might have been before that. And those Indo European groups may have modified the prominence of E1b1b, I2a, and G2a in some regions.

    Y-DNA hg 'E' is a weird haplogroup! Maybe there's some correlation between this hg and the Mediterranean-admixture?





    To which farmers though? E-V13 was the least represented haplogroup among Neolithic farmers. Almost non existent.


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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Except R1b is Afroasiatic which he did not like to mention only troll people with E like a wild monkey.
    R is proto-australoid from Mongolia, there is a thread on it

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