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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    To which farmers though? E-V13 was the least represented haplogroup among Neolithic farmers. Almost non existent.


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    There was a sample found in Spain 7,000 yrs ago. Neolithic age and farming were prevalent. That is my prediction at least. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luso View Post
    There was a sample found in Spain 7,000 yrs ago. Neolithic age and farming were prevalent. That is my prediction at least. What do you think?
    Yeah, but that says nothing about how it entered Europe. What we do know is that it was for sure not a major Neolithic farmer lineage like G and assimilated hunter gatherer I2. Out of 69 samples it appeared 1 time. To me all this means is that it entered Europe somehow else. Not with Neolithic farmers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    Yeah, but that says nothing about how it entered Europe. What we do know is that it was for sure not a major Neolithic farmer lineage like G and assimilated hunter gatherer I2. Out of 69 samples it appeared 1 time. To me all this means is that it entered Europe somehow else. Not with Neolithic farmers.


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    It moved from North Africa into Europe through elites. Might have started when Cleopatra banged a Euro dude and infused his Y-DNA with superhuman Egyptian vag fluid. Outside the Balkans, it's a high class, above the fray halplogroup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    It moved from North Africa into Europe through elites. Might have started when Cleopatra banged a Euro dude and infused his Y-DNA with superhuman Egyptian vag fluid. Outside the Balkans, it's a high class, above the fray halplogroup.
    That might have happened but Cleopatra's vag juice most likely had a E-V22 smell to it, so more research needs to be done to know for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catgeorge View Post
    Its one of the oldest haplos in Europe - it is also likely that I + J came from Africa as well.
    Not really IJ split from IJK which split in West Asia. Even GHIJK is West Asian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really IJ split from IJK which split in West Asia. Even GHIJK is West Asian.
    I and E are OG haplogroups. We can't let R1b hold us down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daco Celtic View Post
    I and E are OG haplogroups. We can't let R1b hold us down
    Joking aside E probably doesn't come from Africa either, most recent hypothesis put all the earlier splits somewhere in Asia, even I's ancestor that split from R's probably happened somewhere near India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Joking aside E probably doesn't come from Africa either, most recent hypothesis put all the earlier splits somewhere in Asia, even I's ancestor that split from R's probably happened somewhere near India.
    Yeah I agree with that. E split from the others in Asia and back migrated to Africa. Iberomaurusians couldn’t have U6 mtDNA if that didn’t happen. The only true native African Y-DNA is A and B.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daos777 View Post
    Yeah I agree with that. E split from the others in Asia and back migrated to Africa. Iberomaurusians couldn’t have U6 mtDNA if that didn’t happen. The only true native African Y-DNA is A and B.


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    Even that could change in the future unfortunately ancient samples are rare, we base everything we know from the Copper age to the beginning of time based off less than 100 skeletons; with the massive changes the earth has had since the beginning of humanity we may never know, if people lived in Doggerland which is now ocean, where else could they have lived?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Not really IJ split from IJK which split in West Asia. Even GHIJK is West Asian.
    Possibly - but also likely it mutated in West Asia originally in Africa - E went straight to Europe

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