The origin of E-V13 is north West Africa

[Caballero]

The precursor to that Spanish E-V13 (let's say the parent mutation of E-V13 which is E-L618) was found in Cardium Pottery culture in Dalmatia, and we all know that the first occurrence of Cardium Pottery Culture happened in Epirus, then in Southern Albania > Albania > Croatia > Italy and Spain. Despite that, archeologists, long time ago noted some similiraties of Cardium Pottery with Natufian and Iberomaurusian cultures. Originally, the parent of E-V13 was probably a minority among either Natufians or lived somewhere inbetween Natufians and Anatolian Farmers.

[Daos777]

The precursor to that Spanish E-V13 (let's say the parent mutation of E-V13 which is E-L618) was found in Cardium Pottery culture in Dalmatia, and we all know that the first occurrence of Cardium Pottery Culture happened in Epirus, then in Southern Albania > Albania > Croatia > Italy and Spain. Despite that, archeologists, long time ago noted some similiraties of Cardium Pottery with Natufian and Iberomaurusian cultures. Originally, the parent of E-V13 was probably a minority among either Natufians or lived somewhere inbetween Natufians and Anatolian Farmers.

It being found among Cardium pottery culture only confirms that it had presence in Southern Europe. It doesn’t confirm that it came from the Levant with the originators of the culture. So far there is nothing linking E-V13 to the Levant because no E-M78 has ever been found in Levant or Anatolia. So all of this is just speculation that doesn’t conform to actual physical evidence. I prefer to use physical evidence approach and the only conclusion is that it came directly from North Africa(Iberomaurusians) to Southern Europe.

[Caballero]

It being found among Cardium pottery culture only confirms that it had presence in Southern Europe. It doesn’t confirm that it came from the Levant with the originators of the culture. So far there is nothing linking E-V13 to the Levant because no E-M78 has ever been found in Levant or Anatolia. So all of this is just speculation that doesn’t conform to actual physical evidence. I prefer to use physical evidence approach and the only conclusion is that it came directly from North Africa(Iberomaurusians) to Southern Europe.

We have a very limited amount of aDNA.

[PaleoEuropean]

It being found among Cardium pottery culture only confirms that it had presence in Southern Europe. It doesn’t confirm that it came from the Levant with the originators of the culture. So far there is nothing linking E-V13 to the Levant because no E-M78 has ever been found in Levant or Anatolia. So all of this is just speculation that doesn’t conform to actual physical evidence. I prefer to use physical evidence approach and the only conclusion is that it came directly from North Africa(Iberomaurusians) to Southern Europe.

I agree people confuse culture and language as being definitive of genetics. The archaeological records only represent what is found not what hasn't been found yet. I don't think it came from South or West Africa though.

[Daos777]

I agree people confuse culture and language as being definitive of genetics. The archaeological records only represent what is found not what hasn't been found yet. I don't think it came from South or West Africa though.

Where do you think it came from?

[PaleoEuropean]

Where do you think it came from?

Probably somewhere near Egypt or some part of land that is now submerged in that region. E radiates from the sea in the region in terms of concentration.

[Brutus]

We have a very limited amount of aDNA.

It's not necessary to retain some of the North African admixture. In every place, after 3-4 generations of mixing the descendants become autosomally related to the populations in the area they live in. So while your paternal lineage links your paternal ancestors to a migration from northwest Africa, you're still autosomally from where you are.

[Brutus]

Duplicate

[Caballero]

It's not necessary to retain some of the North African admixture. In every place, after 3-4 generations of mixing the descendants become autosomally related to the populations in the area they live in. So while your paternal lineage links your paternal ancestors to a migration from northwest Africa, you're still autosomally from where you are.

We already know that, but a NW African origin is far-fetched. Taforalt/Iberomaurusians were dead-end lineages. E-V13 has brother clades in Egypt. Its ancestor left Egypt hypothetically somewhere 10 thousand years ago, so the most probable route is Levant/Anatolia/Balkans.

[PaleoEuropean]

It's not necessary to retain some of the North African admixture. In every place, after 3-4 generations of mixing the descendants become autosomally related to the populations in the area they live in. So while your paternal lineage links your paternal ancestors to a migration from northwest Africa, you're still autosomally from where you are.

Thats very true. Autosomal dna isn't deffinitive of indicating origin. DNA inheritance is also 100% random. You get a 100% random half from each parent, you could be 90% Amerindian when your parents are like 20% in theory.