Iran-N myths & BS debunked

**Zoro** · 05-24-2020, 06:29 PM

I have seen alot of myths and BS about Iran-N floating around. Some of it has to do with amateurs using tools not designed for this type of work and others are just totally confused so I figured I would post some formal stats that would debunk them.

1- Iran-N peaks in other Zagrosian Neolithic genomes from the Kurdistan area and W. Iran AND in the BA Shahr-e-Sokhteh samples

2- Iran-N peaks in Iranian Baloch and NOT in Pakistani Baloch

3- Contrary to the BS some have heard there is genetic continuity in most areas of the W. Asia. Thus if Iran-N was recovered in the Kurdistan area it's only logical that Kurds would have one of the highest admixture. Same applies to other ancients too, whether it be Natufian, Levant, ENF etc. If someone tells you that moderns from those areas don't have any admixture from the ancient genomes from their area that should be a red flag to you that they don't know what the fuck they are talking about.

4- CHG and Iran-N are NOT the same thing. The table below clearly shows this.

5- Polish people are much more related to Iran-N than Sardinians or Basque

6- If the table looks reasonable to you based on the most similar and least similar populations don't pick random samples from the table and use them to say the results don't make sense. If they make sense for the top and bottom they must make sense for the intermediate groups. Software does not discriminate based on sample period.

7- Anatolia-N is almost an outgroup to Iran-N

8- Kurds have alot more Iran-N than Armenians.

If I missed something feel free to add with supporting evidence (G25 doesn't cut it in the scientific world) scientific papers are acceptable

QpWave – Test, Iran-N – Cladiness Check – Rank 0
SAMPLE	CHI SQ	P-value	SNPs USED
Iran_Wezmeh_N	10.53	0.651	336549
Iran_TepeAbdulHosein_N	12.7	0.471	299101
Iran_BA1_ShahrISokhta	14.49	0.34	232407
.Baloch_IR	23.01	0.042	145353
.Iranian_SW	32.61	0.002	178652
Brahui.DG	33.36	0.002	220945
.Kurd_Kurmanji	34.45	0.001	180890
Turkmenistan_Gonur_BA_1	35.83	0.001	245459
.Kurd_Kurmanji	37.02	0	181245
.Pashtun_Afg	37.81	0	139440
.Iranian_NW	41.2	0	138528
Iranian.DG	42	0	218275
Balochi.DG	44	0	221277
Lezgin.DG	48.87	0	219053
Iran_IA_Hasanlu	51.77	0	283111
Iran_C_SehGabi	53.58	0	270318
Kalash.DG	67.15	0	227762
Adygei.DG	68.15	0	219228
Georgian.DG	72.55	0	219415
Russia_NOssetian.DG	73.56	0	218318
Tajik.DG	80.34	0	186159
.Assyrians	82.58	0	140584
Sindhi.DG	90.42	0	220004
Armenia_EBA_Kura	103.98	0	260184
Polish.DG	111.47	0	279832
Georgia_Kotias.SG	111.88	0	330964
Armenian.DG	113.03	0	218802
Greek.DG	123.43	0	217360
Jew_Iraqi.DG	126.67	0	219364
Druze.DG	126.97	0	217777
Bulgarian	138.77	0	216181
Armenia_C	155.23	0	254066
Estonian.DG	176.86	0	215947
Basque.DG	202.55	0	217227
BedouinB.DG	206.67	0	223600
Sardinian.DG	241.81	0	217032
Irula.DG	352.54	0	221822
Gujarati_1000G	354.05	0	78632
Anatolia_N	401.3	0	144115
Buryat.SG	896.94	0	284998
Burmese.DG	1,129.55	0	218952
Chinese_Han_1000G	1,809.99	0	100086
Bougainville.DG	2,036.33	0	237654
Esan.DG	2,782.84	0	205477

**SharpFork** · 05-24-2020, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Zoro

Contrary to the BS some have heard there is genetic continuity in most areas of the W. Asia. Thus if Iran-N was recovered in the Kurdistan area it's only logical that Kurds would have one of the highest admixture. Same applies to other ancients too, whether it be Natufian, Levant, ENF etc. .

No this is not logical, it's simply a empty claim or merely a likely trend, for Natufians I'm pretty sure Arabians are closer to them than Levantines for example.

**Zoro** · 05-24-2020, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by SharpFork

No this is not logical, it's simply a empty claim or merely a likely trend, for Natufians I'm pretty sure Arabians are closer to them than Levantines for example.

Ok but you get the idea. People from the Levant would have one of the highest. I also said one of the highest, but to say that Kurds don't have Iran-N or people from the Levant don't have Natufian is retarded and against common sense.

So there it's logical. In the case of Iran-N it's the Baloch from the other side of Iran that have the highest but this doesn't change the fact that kurds have one of the highest.