West Asian admixture in mainland Greeks

[yamagi]

Myceaneans already have West Asian admixture through bronze age migrations, so it's logical to assume some of it, if not most come from ancient Greeks.
Other, but more recent migrations from Anatolia and the Byzantine territories could also raise WA related components.

[Eline]

Kit Number: Z129820
Name: Minoan_Odigitria I9131
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 7.52%

Kit Number: Z140201
Name: Minoan_Odigitria I9130
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 5.53%

Kit Number: Z646820
Name: Minoan_Odigitria I9129
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 4.08%

Kit Number: Z401678
Name: Crete_Armenoi I9123
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 14.41%

Kit Number: Z501208
Name: Minoan_Odigitria I9127
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 8.25%

Kit Number: Z383564
Name: Minoan_Odigitria I9128
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 0.00%

Kit Number: Z445292
Name: Minoan_Lasithi I0073
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 10.28%

Kit Number: Z746199
Name: Minoan_Lasithi I0074
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 10.56%

Kit Number: Z667807
Name: Mycenaean I9041
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 11.26%

Kit Number: Z834237
Name: Minoan_Lasithi I9005
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 11.56%

Kit Number: Z004092
Name: Mycenaean I9006
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 15.08%

Kit Number: Z157740
Name: Mycenaean I9033
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 13.73%

Kit Number: Z290210
Name: Mycenaean I9010
Eurogenes K15 West Asian % 10.53%

As you can see no matter how you model those Mycenaeans. They are mostly of Anatolian origin with some extra CHG/Iran_NEO/Iran_CHL or Armenia_ChL in addition to Anatolia_NEO.

Modern Greeks have less of western Asian DNA moslty because they are mixed with the Slavic speaking people from the Balkans or from north.

[Eline]

Yeah, I have said similar things here. Most of European countries have a similar "problem".

Here data form 2018 of emigrant population in Spain. Many people from Latin America have now Spanish nationality, are easily assimilated because of the language an close culture, and ethnically some of them are also close to us , so no problem with them.

Those immigrants from Romania might be actual Gypsies. I heard Gypsies have a good life in Spain.

[Epirus DNA]

As you can see no matter how you model those Mycenaeans. They are mostly of Anatolian origin with some extra CHG/Iran_NEO/Iran_CHL of Armenia_ChL in addition of Anatolia_NEO.

Modern Greeks have less of western Asian DNA moslty because they are mixed with the Slavic speaking people from the Balkans or from north.

Do have any charts or graphs to further this notion? From what I see, Modern Greeks have equal to or more. It's not the other way around. The Minoan Odigitria have much less West Asian admixture than the Mycenaean samples.

The Mycenaean samples share SNP's with the Minoan Lasitihi, but not with the Odigitria.

[FinalFlash]

400-500 years but it's not from that. Modern Greeks have virtually no West Asian admixture from Turks. The Turk West Asian is Mongoloid.The Greek West Asian is Anatolian and that what this threads about-- the Mycenaean sample has 15% West Asian. It seems that it happened either with the Kura-Araxes expansion west or much much earlier.

Kura Araxes aka Armenian. It's not surprising for various European ethnicities to have some West Asian DNA and vice versa for some West Asians to have EEF and steppe.

[gixajo]

You should assume that part of that component (I don´t know how much) could come perfectly from Ottoman times inputs.

I assume the same in our case with NA, I don´t see any problem in accepting this.

The only obstacle I can see in this, is that Ottomans were muslim, but the Dna has not any religion.

You are very close populations genetically, distances between western Turks and greeks are minimal.

Your religion and culture is different,that is clear, but genetically?

[Anaximander]

You are very close populations genetically, distances between western Turks and greeks are minimal.

, but genetically?

and then u woke up.

[Eline]

Do have any charts or graphs to further this notion? From what I see, Modern Greeks have equal to or more. It's not the other way around. The Minoan Odigitria have much less West Asian admixture than the Mycenaean samples.

The Mycenaean samples share SNP's with the Minoan Lasitihi, but not with the Odigitria.

Yes, it is from a study done by a Greek, Iosif Lazaridis, Nick Patterson, Reich, Kraus and co. Very known people if oyu are interested in human genetics.

It is from a study called "Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans"


https://www.researchgate.net/publica...and_Mycenaeans

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28783727/

[FinalFlash]

You should assume that part of that component (I don´t know how much) could come perfectly from Ottoman times inputs.

I assume the same in our case with NA, I don´t see any problem in accepting this.

The only obstacle I can see in this, is that Ottomans were muslim, but the Dna has not any religion.

You are very close populations genetically, distances between western Turks and greeks are minimal.

Your religion and culture is different,that is clear, but genetically?

NA admixture in Iberians is mostly negligible. The same isn't true for WA admix in Greeks I think.

[gixajo]

Those immigrants from Romania might be actual Gypsies. I heard Gypsies have a good life in Spain.

Maybe 1/5 or less of total are gypsies. But they come and go continually between countries.

Gypsies have a good life anywhere in Europe, ask Mortimer.