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    Most of it is but not all, native Finnish specific I1 clade exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noff View Post
    No, the nationality and genetics are differents.
    A Turkish was born/living in Sweden can he call himself "Swedish"? He's got Swedish nationality but is ethnic Turkish with haplogroup E or J.

    Your haplogroup (I1) is Pre-Indoeuropean.
    Common in Scandinavia. Probably you've got that haplogroup for Viking invasions, but depends of your subclade.
    Ev13 is not common in Turkey, J yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    My clade is dated by FtDna and yFull. I have not courage to deny their maths. It is older, it is a branch of a 2500 years old Finnish branch, which have Swedish matches counted by one hand fingers and most of them have Finnish roots. Of course there is more Finnish I1 in Sweden, but maths how they calculate clade ages can't be wrong.
    The same could be said though for I-l161.1 almost everyone tested commercially is from the Uk or Germany when independent studies show how truly far it is spread out. I am not saying your clade isn't anciently native to Finland; but there are a loooot of factors to consider. 2500 years ago wasn't that long, that's when Hunter Gatherers started to move back into the Balkans and Scandinavia for whatever regions, in the Eastern and Southern Baltic it's thought because they resisted farming. My clade also moved around during this time period, this was probably one of the last great migration periods of Hunter Gathers populations. Things always change and dates are always moved around especially when it comes to I clades, you also have to make sure that the name of the clade is still the same because most I clades have changed names. Not everyone updates the information they put out. Most the studies on I1 and I2 use outdated names because they are relatively old finds or studies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noff View Post
    No, the nationality and genetics are differents.
    A Turkish was born/living in Sweden can he call himself "Swedish"? He's got Swedish nationality but is ethnic Turkish with haplogroup E or J.

    Your haplogroup (I1) is Pre-Indoeuropean.
    Common in Scandinavia. Probably you've got that haplogroup for Viking invasions, but depends of your subclade.
    He has Swedish relatives so i dont know why hes asking these questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    A lot test with crappy companies too like Myheritage or FTDNA and just do Morley as well. I remember reading that Europeans use mostly those two companies as where Americans use mostly Ancestry or 23.
    23 doesn't even do ydna tests. The Finnish I1 is calculated based on 1600 I1 results and I don't think that Swedes are much worse.

    FtDna is the leading yDna provider in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feiichy View Post
    Most of it is but not all, native Finnish specific I1 clade exist.
    Most of it, 95%, is native Finnish based on research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    The same could be said though for I-l161.1 almost everyone tested commercially is from the Uk or Germany when independent studies show how truly far it is spread out. I am not saying your clade isn't anciently native to Finland; but there are a loooot of factors to consider. 2500 years ago wasn't that long, that's when Hunter Gatherers started to move back into the Balkans and Scandinavia for whatever regions, in the Eastern and Southern Baltic it's thought because they resisted farming. My clade also moved around during this time period, this was probably one of the last great migration periods of Hunter Gathers populations. Things always change and dates are always moved around especially when it comes to I clades, you also have to make sure that the name of the clade is still the same because most I clades have changed names. Not everyone updates the information they put out. Most the studies on I1 and I2 use outdated names because they are relatively old finds or studies.
    Same way as the British I1 can be rooted to somewhere else, just same logic and research proves that the Finnish I1 is solely Finnish and Bronze age. And your knowledge about Finnish HG ancestry is not based on reaserch either; Finland had farming already 5000 years ago, although huntering snd fishing were practices too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    23 doesn't even do ydna tests. The Finnish I1 is calculated based on 1600 I1 results.

    FtDna is the leading yDna provider in the world.
    23 does a basic Y and Mtdna test included with your ethnic background test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    23 does a basic Y and Mtdna test included with your ethnic background test.
    Obviously you are not familiarized in ydna research. 23 doesn't make even near full grnome ydna. It is, how to say it, an amateur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemminkäinen View Post
    Obviously you are not familiarized in ydna research. 23 doesn't make even nesr full grnome ydna.
    Other companies lowest tier base level clade tests aren't that different from 23 and me's methods.

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