Domagoj Nikolic - Aleksandar Makedonski

[Uski]

We are a distinguished ethnicity like Austrians and Germans, Americans and British. We have culturally similarities with Bulgarians but we are different nations.

Germans and Austrians are the same ethnicity, who were divided and kept from unifying for political reasons. An Austrian speaks german and doesnt claim otherwise. Are kosovars not albanian? Americans are a melting pot of many many peoples whove migrated there. Most of their genes arent even from the UK, but they still say they speak english and so do australians, new zealenders etc etc.

Macedonians were right in picking pelagonian dialect as their standard, however a cham albanian and a Sandzakli have more problems understanding each other than yall, but we still consider ourselves albanian. In the end its a matter of different criteria and so on. Macedonian may or may not have been synonymous with bulgarian 150 years ago, but today it is recognized as a separate language. And i doubt any Macedonian would give this up.

[Lioncourt]

Не разбрахте ли, че това са безсмислени спорове...в тая държава лично пускат Бог да говори в национален ефир, Сашо Македонски да прича на югозападен диалект със знамето от 1995, а един "учен" ги убеждава, че на камък на 77 000 годин разчел "Македония". Как могат да се убедят в нещо различно двамата австралийци, дето през ден пускат антибългарски теми.

[MegaArgus1]

Germans and Austrians are the same ethnicity, who were divided and kept from unifying for political reasons. An Austrian speaks german and doesnt claim otherwise. Are kosovars not albanian? Americans are a melting pot of many many peoples whove migrated there. Most of their genes arent even from the UK, but they still say they speak english and so do australians, new zealenders etc etc.

Macedonians were right in picking pelagonian dialect as their standard, however a cham albanian and a Sandzakli have more problems understanding each other than yall, but we still consider ourselves albanian. In the end its a matter of different criteria and so on. Macedonian may or may not have been synonymous with bulgarian 150 years ago, but today it is recognized as a separate language. And i doubt any Macedonian would give this up.

He didn't make good comparison but the message is clear we are not one nation. Language-wise our predecessors spoke Slavic which was a base for the Church Slavonic. Their claim that we spoke Bulgarian which was Turkish-wise language is ridiculous.

[Crn Volk]

Our language is not based in this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgar_language

[-Invictus-]

We are a distinguished ethnicity like Austrians and Germans, Americans and British. We have culturally similarities with Bulgarians but we are different nations.

I wouldn't say that's a good comparison. Austrians and Germans were separate nations for a long time and they were always allies and acknowledged their Germanic roots. Americans and British are too different.

A more suitable, but still not so accurate comparison can be Ireland and Northern Ireland. Northern Ireland was created by Britain just like the separate Macedonian nation was created by Serbia/Yugoslavia. The biggest differences is that they didn't try to transform the Irish identity there, but settled a lot of Englishmen and established their rule by force and made English official. The Serbs first tried to convert your ancestors into being Serbian and failed, but later succeeded with transforming the regional Macedonian Bulgarian identity into a separate ethnicity that is based on the foundation of a couple of factors :
1. supposed ancient Macedonian roots and enforcing the idea that ancient Macedonia has nothing to do with Greece
2. separate Slavic language that was Serbianized to look and sound different from Bulgarian
3. labeling the medieval Bulgarian kingdom of Samuil as Macedonian
4. labeling the Greek brothers Cyril and Methodius as Macedonian
5. portraying Bulgarians as very different and hostile people who steal Macedonian history and want to occupy them

There was no internet or plenty of information back then and the people had a very basic understanding of what is true and what is not. They lived in the Ottoman province of Macedonia and most likely called themselves like that in a purely regional context aside from their Bulgarian/Greek ethnicity. They knew the ancient story of Alexander(who doesn't) and took pride in that. The Ottomans called all Christians гяури(infidels) and didn't care about their national identity. Only time when they cared was when they converted them to Islam. The Bulgarian identity suffered both from Ottomans and Greeks at that time. The Ottomans converted the Pomaks and the Greeks converted with the power of their church. You maybe heard of Паисий Хилендарски who wrote История Славянобългарска. He wrote about this topic in 1762. He exaggerated about having most lands, but you can get the core message and why it is remembered by Bulgarians to this day :

"О неразумни юроде! Защо се срамуваш да се наречеш българин и не четеш, и не говориш на своя език? Или българите не са имали царство и държава? Толкова години са царували и са били славни и прочути по цялата земя и много пъти са взимали данък от силни римляни и от мъдри гърци. И царе, и крале са им давали своите царски дъщери за съпруги, за да имат мир и любов с българските царе. От целия славянски род най-славни са били българите, първо те са се нарекли царе, първо те са имали патриарх, първо те са се кръстили, най-много земя те завладели. Така от целия славянски род били най-силни и най-почитани и първите славянски светци и просияли от българския род и език, както и за това подред написах в тая история.“

Then the Ottoman empire started to crumble in the 19th century. That was the time when the Serbomans started to fight the Bulgarian spirit in Macedonia, by merging the ancient Macedonian identity and the medieval Bulgarian identity into the separate Macedonian identity. Macedonians were told that ancient Macedonia is not Greek, but Macedonian and that Bulgarian history is actually Macedonian and the Bulgarians only wanted to steal their history and land( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...oman_Macedonia ). It wasn't very successful, but planted a seed that would sprout later. In the First Balkan War the Bulgarian tsar had a deal with the Serbians to split Macedonia. Serbia always feared a strong and united Bulgaria and instead didn't uphold the deal and split Macedonia with Greece while the Bulgarian soldiers were fighting the Ottomans in Thrace( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%...liance_of_1913 ). Then our greedy tsar made a very stupid move to just occupy Macedonia from the Serbians and started the Second Balkan War which was catastrophic for our nation. Serbians then had full control over Vardar and tried to push the Serbian identity by force( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...rdar_Macedonia ) and even called your land South Serbia( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...%E2%80%931922) ). You can read a lot about that period of Serbianisation because it was in the most open and direct way. The fact that the Bulgarian army couldn't interfere(otherwise it was pretty much game over for Bulgaria) and the aggressive push of the Serbian idea made the Macedonians stand for themselves and embrace the Macedonian identity. Then Tito came and made a very smart move by embracing the Macedonian identity as well. It served his purpose to alienate the Bulgarians in the Macedonian eyes and also was a a positive change for Macedonians after the forced Serbianisation so they didn't resist and he could rule over them as a part of the bigger communist Yugoslavia( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...n#SR_Macedonia ). By his orders the Macedonian language was differentiated from Bulgarian by tweaking very important characteristics of the Old Slavic and Old/Modern Bulgarian. The distinct Bulgarian sound "ъ" was removed or replaced it with "а","о" or "у". The Serbian "j" was also implemented to replace "й" and "ja" to replace "я". Words like "въведи" were turned into "воведуваj" and so on( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...n#SR_Macedonia )

I didn't intend to write such a long comment, but it was worth mentioning all these things. You can check the links and the sources if you don't believe me.

[Crn Volk]

Nope, a better comparison is Russia and Ukraine

[Vojnik]

Eight decades later, the heirs of the political writers in the language now unconditionally believe that the Macedonian language comes from time immemorial and has no Bulgarian roots.
The first Macedonian primer published in Greece in the 1940s. Illustration from the Macedonian press. Strangely written in pure Bulgarian

"filip i fotis se dve dobri deca. fotis e grce a filip e makedonce" Translated: filip and fotis are two good kids. fotis is a greek and filip a macedonian.

Very pure Bulgarian right?

'Furnata'= Oven. Bulgarians say Pechka.

'Milva'= Love. It's a very Aegean Macedonian word for love.

'Pomozvat' = help. Another word which isn't Bulgarian.

'Kinisa' = Go. Another very Macedonian word which does not exist in any other language.

That and among others.

[Archduke]

"filip i fotis se dve dobri deca. fotis e grce a filip e makedonce" Translated: filip and fotis are two good kids. fotis is a greek and filip a macedonian.

Very pure Bulgarian right?

'Furnata'= Oven. Bulgarians say Pechka.

'Milva'= Love. It's a very Aegean Macedonian word for love.

'Pomozvat' = help. Another word which isn't Bulgarian.

'Kinisa' = Go. Another very Macedonian word which does not exist in any other language.

That and among others.

All words exist in Bulgarian, you can check a Bulgarian dictionary.

One fast language test. Can you recognize the same mistake done two times?

[-Invictus-]

Nope, a better comparison is Russia and Ukraine

Yes, ignore the history of your forefathers and answer only about the comparison.

I would say it's kinda ok comparison, because Kievan Rus was basically the first Russian country and it was in today's Ukraine. Also Ukrainians basically speak their own version of Russian. On the other hand it's not a good comparison at all, because Bulgaria didn't wage war against Macedonians. Bulgarian soldiers and partisans fought wars on the land of Macedonia against serbomans, chetniks and Serbian soldiers. Russia is way more brutal with the casual 21st century annexation Crimea and the separatist war in Donetsk.

Here is something interesting from all the things I typed and you ignored. The site is called "javno", it ends with .mk. It just can't get any better

http://javno.mk/reshenie-na-asnom-72...7EN2AqGes5i5hG

[-Invictus-]

"filip i fotis se dve dobri deca. fotis e grce a filip e makedonce" Translated: filip and fotis are two good kids. fotis is a greek and filip a macedonian.

Very pure Bulgarian right?

'Furnata'= Oven. Bulgarians say Pechka.

'Milva'= Love. It's a very Aegean Macedonian word for love.

'Pomozvat' = help. Another word which isn't Bulgarian.

'Kinisa' = Go. Another very Macedonian word which does not exist in any other language.

That and among others.

Пилето във фурната

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG3ZpbDEdR8

Родна реч от Ран Босилек

"...И над книгата унесен,
родна реч ми пак шепти...
Милва като нежна песен,
като утрен звън трепти!"

https://liternet.bg/publish3/ranbosilek/rech.htm

"Поможи" е старата версия на "помогни". Проверих Гугъл преводача. И на Македонски е "помогни".

"Киниса" изглежда като доста регионална дума. И в Българския си имаме регионални думи от всеки край...