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    Kanasubigi Omortag, in the land where he was born
    is lord (archon) by God. In the field of Pliska
    staying he made a court/camp (aulis) at [the river] Ticha (Kamchiya)
    and moved his forces against the Greeks (i.e. Byzantines)
    and the Slavs and skillfully erected a bridge at Ticha
    together with the camp [he put] four columns and above the columns
    he erected two lions. May God grant the Lord by God
    to crush with his foot the Byzantine Emperor (Basileus)
    until Ticha flows... and over the many Bulgarians
    to rule, to subjugate his enemies,
    to live in joy and happiness for a hundred years
    The time when this was built was
    in Bulgarian Shigor Elem and in Greek
    Indiction 15.






    "To the East I have made campaigns as far as the Shantung plain, and almost reached the sea; to the South I have made campaigns as far as Tokuz-Ersin and almost reached Tibet; to the West I have made campaigns beyond Yenchii-Iigiiz (Pearl River) as far as Timir-Kapig (The Iron Gate); to the North I have made campaigns as far as the land of the Yer-Bayirku's. To all these lands have I led (the Turks). The forest of Mount Otiikin has no [foreign] overlord; the forest of Mount Otiikin is the place where the kingdom is held together."

    "By the will of Heaven, and because I was greatly deserving and it so brought it about, I brought the dying people back to life; for the naked people I found clothing, the poor people I made rich, the scanty people I made numerous. I have made the other, which has a kingdom and a kagan, to stand higher. All the peoples in the four quarters of the world I have brought to keeping the peace and making an end of hostilities; they all have obeyed me, and serve me."

    "Because of want of harmony between the begs and the people, and because of the Chinese people's cunning and craft and its intrigues, and because the younger and the elder brothers chose to take counsel against one another and bring discord between begs and people, they brought the old realm of the Turkic people to dissolution, and brought destruction on its lawful kagans. The sons of the nobles became the bondsmen of the Chinese people, their unsullied daughters became its slaves. The Turkic begs gave up their Turkic names, and bearing the Chinese names of Chinese begs they obeyed the Chinese Emperor, and served him during fifty years. For him they waged war in the East towards the sun's rising, as far as Bokli kagan, in the West they made expeditions as far as Taimirkapig; for the Chinese Emperor they conquered kingdoms and power. The whole of the common Turkic people said thus: 'I have been a nation that had its own kingdom; where is now my kingdom? For whom do I win the kingdoms? said they. I have been a people that had its own kagan; where is my kagan? Which kagan is it I serve?'"

    "While I have ruled here, I have become reconciled with the Chinese people. The Chinese people, who give in abundance gold, silver, millet, and silk, have always used ingratiating words and have at their disposal enervating riches. While ensnaring them with their ingratiating talk and enervating riches, they have drawn the far-dwelling peoples nearer to themselves. But after settling down near them these we have come to see their cunning."


    "From the Chinese Emperor I have had artists to come, and have set them to work. My request has not been refused. They have sent the Chinese Emperor's court painters. I have bidden them set up a separate hall, and inside and out I have had them to make various paintings. I have had the stone hewn; that which lay in my heart to utter I have. Understand to see this all as far as the suns and subjects of the Ten Arrows. I have had the memorial stone hewn."

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    I'm not sure what to think after reading all of this. Are the Bulgar ones like the Orkhon ones and if that's the case why?

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    moved his forces against the Greeks (i.e. Byzantines)
    and the Slavs
    So much for Slavs and Bulgars as allies
    Last edited by Crn Volk; 05-27-2020 at 05:44 AM.

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    So he is some turk fighting both slavs and greeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    So he is some turk fighting both slavs and greeks?
    Yes, a yellow foreigner that conquered European lands that then tried to paint themselves as Europeans by adopting Christianity and the Slavic tongue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crn Volk View Post
    Yes, a yellow foreigner that conquered European lands that then tried to paint themselves as Europeans by adopting Christianity and the Slavic tongue.
    I see, so Basil the Bulgar Slayer basically liberated Slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I see, so Basil the Bulgar Slayer basically liberated Slavs.
    Samuel was not a Bulgar. He was of Slav/Armenian descent. The previous Bulgar Dulo clan had died out and Samuel founded a new ruling dynasty. He ruled a Slavic empire by that stage, not a Turkic Bulgar one.

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    mistake
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    For the correct understanding and interpretation of a given inscription it is necessary first of all: 1) exact transcript, 2) correct reading, 3) correct linguistic, ie grammatical understanding and 4) its correct placement in its historical situation.
    All runic writings differ considerably in phonetics and drawing. That is why we are talking about two different runic areas: Asian - east of the Talas River, and European - west of this river. Proto-Bulgarian runes were used as Greek letters, except for letters for numbers and stone marks, as well as to denote possession, as German runes. Some proto-Bulgarian signs also had a magical meaning used in divination and magical rituals. for reading and comprehension by foreigners. That is why there are early attempts to replace it with the Greek and Latin alphabets. Among the proto-Bulgarian military inventory inscriptions there are two, one whole and one fragment, which are composed in proto-Bulgarian, but written in Greek letters. The only ones of their kind and typical for the proto-Bulgarian epigraphy are the military inventory inscriptions, military rank
    1. Military inventory inscriptions
    2. Chronicle inscriptions
    3. Triumphal inscriptions
    4. Peace treaties
    5. Construction inscriptions
    6. Commemorative inscriptions
    7. Graffiti
    8. Inscriptions on metal objects
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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    Археологическите и генетични данни предполагат кавказки произход за прабългарите http://www.papersofbas.eu/images/pap...gF-sldGHBlq90k
    ...Even if a man lives well, he dies and another one comes into existence. Let the one who comes later upon seeing this inscription remember the one who had made it. And the name is Omurtag, Kanasubigi.

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