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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeleton View Post
    I mean were West Slavs genetically different, i.e. descending from previous populations, and just became Slavicized through a Slavic elite just imposing their culture, religion, and language?
    I imagine not because Poles are way too similar to East Slavs to say that the pre-Slavic population maintained large scale continuity, it possible that pre-Slavic Poles were still very Slavic like AND that they were mostly replaced, but this is the first time I heard this particular theory of yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    I imagine not because Poles are way too similar to East Slavs to say that the pre-Slavic population maintained large scale continuity, it possible that pre-Slavic Poles were still very Slavic like AND that they were mostly replaced, but this is the first time I heard this particular theory of yours.
    Are they closest to East Slavs? I've heard that they're closer to Slovaks than any other population. The north and east Poles are close to Russians, Belarusians, and eastern Ukrainians, meanwhile west and south Poles are close to Slovaks and western Ukrainians (who are west Slavic, genetically).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cass View Post
    Maybe Primary Chronicle (Tale of Bygone Years) has some value. This is just my speculation.

    http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/wp-.../Ris.-5.16.jpg
    Sorry to bother, but why do West and south Poles cluster with Slovaks and west Ukrainians, not East Slavs?

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    The Slavic ancestral home is Pannonia, modern-day Hungary. The Slavs formed according to one version inside the Roman Empire, according to another version inside the Avar Haganate. The original language was the Baltic language, which was influenced by the Iranian peoples.

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    Przeworsk culture is the culture of the German Vandal people. Bastarnae is a Germanic tribe that later migrated to the territory of modern Romania and Moldova, and half of this tribe migrated to Ukraine, where it formed a Zarubin culture on the site of the destroyed Milograd

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    The Slavs migrated to the territory of Ukraine in the VI-VII century, to the territory of Novgorod in the VIII-IX centuries. The greatest migration coincided in time with the destruction of the Avar Haganate by Charles the Great. Slavization of land near Moscow ended only in the XIII century.
    Under pressure from the Slavs, the Finns migrated from Estonia and Novgorod to the south of modern Finland, where the Sami had lived before. This is the VIII-IX centuries.

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    The Slavs of the Obodrites tribe separated from the Avars in the VI century. They were fixed at the border by agreement with the Francs.

    Poland became empty after the invasion of the Huns, overgrown with forests and can not be considered the ancestral home of the Slavs. Swamps of Pripyat are not enough to support a large population that will still be migrating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    Przeworsk culture is the culture of the German Vandal people. Bastarnae is a Germanic tribe that later migrated to the territory of modern Romania and Moldova, and half of this tribe migrated to Ukraine, where it formed a Zarubin culture on the site of the destroyed Milograd
    You contradict Sedov.

    Основным этносом в пшеворском ареале на всем протяжении развития этой культуры оставалось местное славянское население, особенно в Висленском регионе.

    Седов В.В. Славяне в древности https://arheologija.ru/slavyane-v-so...skoy-kulturyi/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post

    Poland became empty after the invasion of the Huns, overgrown with forests and can not be considered the ancestral home of the Slavs.

    Ancient DNA Reveals Matrilineal Continuity in Present-Day Poland over the Last Two Millennia
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...l.pone.0110839

    and much longer
    Bronze Age DNA Shows Direct Genetic Link to Current Inhabitants of Southern Poland
    http://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/node/82059

    There are already first conclusions from the research of the team from the Biobank Laboratory and the Department of Anthropology. The researchers believe that in the case of the population living in Kujawy there was a surprisingly strong genetic continuity, dating back to the time of the first farmers, 7.5 thousand years ago.
    "It seems that we are dealing with an interesting genetic continuation in the population living in Kujawy from the early Middle Ages to the 19th century. The roots of these populations probably reach the Neolithic, perhaps even the Mesolithic" - the scientist suggests.
    http://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/new...ion-platform-e

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    The Slavic ancestral home is Pannonia, modern-day Hungary. The Slavs formed according to one version inside the Roman Empire, according to another version inside the Avar Haganate.
    Proto-Slavs were almost unknown to the Romans until after the Migration Period and lived outside the sphere of influence of the Roman Empire.
    Ancient Roman and Greek historical sources refer to the early Slavic peoples (most probably) as Veneti and Spori.

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