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Thread: Ancient genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic history

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    Distance: 2.4232% / 0.02423216

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixajo View Post
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    Target: gixajo_scaled
    Distance: 2.4232% / 0.02423216

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    Distance to: gixajo_scaled
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    0.04189850 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
    0.04212763 FRA_IA:ERS88
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    0.07213493 Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
    0.07652085 FRA_IA:BES1248
    0.08207717 FRA_IA:COL11
    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.5026% / 0.04502593

    42.8 FRA_IA:ERS88
    24.4 FRA_IA:COL153i
    21.6 FRA_IA:NOR4
    11.2 FRA_IA:ATT26

    Code:
    Distance to:	Juan_scaled
    0.05372398	FRA_IA:ERS88
    0.05865324	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209
    0.05978581	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
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    0.08771873	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
    0.09166822	FRA_IA:BES1248
    0.09278370	FRA_IA:COL11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defcon2 View Post
    Target: Juan_scaled
    Distance: 4.5026% / 0.04502593

    42.8 FRA_IA:ERS88
    24.4 FRA_IA:COL153i
    21.6 FRA_IA:NOR4
    11.2 FRA_IA:ATT26

    Code:
    Distance to:	Juan_scaled
    0.05372398	FRA_IA:ERS88
    0.05865324	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209
    0.05978581	Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
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    0.09166822	FRA_IA:BES1248
    0.09278370	FRA_IA:COL11
    No me cuadra nada como están clasificados esos samples. Ni los supuestamente franceses ni los supuestamente ibéricos.

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    I don't want to start the same discussion from 0, but I still don't exactly see yet the smoking gun evidence for the Hallstatt = Southern French theory(but I mean the discussion from my point of view is incredibly specific, Central-North French-like vs South French-like), there is still an incredible amount of variation:

    Of the samples Lukasz posted:

    1 of the 2 northern ones is British-like, the other is North French like(Paris)

    The central ones show a lot of difference:

    British(Cornish)
    2 South German(Alsace)
    4 Southern French(all Occitanie)
    2 North-East Iberian(roughly Catalan regions)
    2 Northern(Breton and Belgian)

    Outside generalized statements, this is a brief view of what I see when separating by locale and time:

    Northern Alsace(Nordhouse): The 2 early samples from the 8th century BCE are South-Central French like(Occitanie and Swiss French), the 2 later one from around the 6th century BCE are very different, one is Breton like and the other is North-East Spanish like.

    Northern Alsace(Erstein): Those 3 samples from 400-100 BCE are also very diverse, one is South German like, one is Belgian like and another is NE Spanish like.

    Southern Alsace(Sainte-Croix-en-Plaine): The single sample from 600-400 BCE is South French like(Occitanie like always)

    Southern Alsace(Colmar): The 3 samples from the late 4th century BCE show diversity like always: one is Orcadian-like, one is South German and another South French.

    Picardy(Attichy & Bucy-le-Long): one sample is from around 350-200 BCE and the other from the late 3th century BCE, the former is North French-like(Paris) and the later is British like(Cornwall)

    I can't really make sense of this myself, I need to look at the Bronze age samples too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    I don't want to start the same discussion from 0, but I still don't exactly see yet the smoking gun evidence for the Hallstatt = Southern French theory(but I mean the discussion from my point of view is incredibly specific, Central-North French-like vs South French-like), there is still an incredible amount of variation:

    Of the samples Lukasz posted:

    1 of the 2 northern ones is British-like, the other is North French like(Paris)

    The central ones show a lot of difference:

    British(Cornish)
    2 South German(Alsace)
    4 Southern French(all Occitanie)
    2 North-East Iberian(roughly Catalan regions)
    2 Northern(Breton and Belgian)

    Outside generalized statements, this is a brief view of what I see when separating by locale and time:

    Northern Alsace(Nordhouse): The 2 early samples from the 8th century BCE are South-Central French like(Occitanie and Swiss French), the 2 later one from around the 6th century BCE are very different, one is Breton like and the other is North-East Spanish like.

    Northern Alsace(Erstein): Those 3 samples from 400-100 BCE are also very diverse, one is South German like, one is Belgian like and another is NE Spanish like.

    Southern Alsace(Sainte-Croix-en-Plaine): The single sample from 600-400 BCE is South French like(Occitanie like always)

    Southern Alsace(Colmar): The 3 samples from the late 4th century BCE show diversity like always: one is Orcadian-like, one is South German and another South French.

    Picardy(Attichy & Bucy-le-Long): one sample is from around 350-200 BCE and the other from the late 3th century BCE, the former is North French-like(Paris) and the later is British like(Cornwall)

    I can't really make sense of this myself, I need to look at the Bronze age samples too.
    I don't see how you get to any conclusion other than Hallstatt Celts were southern French/Iberian like.

    Yes, there's an incredible amount of variation, that's the entire reason why Hallstatt Celts are going to be southern French/Iberian like. Levels of that kind of variation in steppe/neolithic farmer ancestry will not survive from the early Bronze Age to the Iron Age, that's just not going to happen, not without some sort of rigid caste system, and I'm not even sure the differences between Indian castes are that large. This means the variation is explained by locals, mixed people, and immigrants. The Breton/British clustering ones are clearly the locals, the others mixes(could be just more southernly located locals too though), the southern shifted ones are quite clearly immigrants from the Hallstatt zone(potentially from southern France, but there's literally no reason to think this as we already have the southern shifted population appearing in the Alpine Hallstatt Zone, and Switzerland/Austria are closer to Alsace than southern France, and there's actually known migration and cultural diffusion from the Alpine area to all surrounding areas, unlike from southern France).

    Right now the only IA sample from Switzerland is Iberian clustering(for the record, N. Iberian to S. France clustering can just be natural variation in a population, but N. Iberian to Belgian? not happening), and you don't even need more as this paper pretty much ends the argument. More IA samples from Switzerland/Austria would be great but as far as I'm concerned this is settled.
    The Guanche skulls as a whole are unlike those of modern European Mediterraneans, and resemble northern European series most closely, especially those in which a brachycephalic element is present, as in Burgundian and Alemanni series.
    divided them into clearly differentiated types, which include a Mediterranean, a Nordic, a "Guanche," and an Alpine. The "Guanche" accounts for 50 per cent of the whole on the four islands of Teneriffe, Gomera, Gran Canaria, and Hierro; the Nordic for 31 per cent, the Mediterranean for 13 per cent, and the Alpine
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    That is not an "incredible" amount of variation, that is exactly the same amount of variation as among modern French population. And academic samples show that, also today, this variation does not strictly correlate with geography. There are people belonging to different genetic clusters but living in the same area - this is also the case in modern France based on academic samples.

    Apparently it was the case in ancient Gaul too.

    And yes, studies on the modern French have been criticized for not paying enough attention to origins of grandparents of the sampled individuals. But it is exactly the same case with ancient samples - we know nothing about genealogy of grandparents of ATT26 (for example). Did they at least examine the strontium isotopes to see who was locally born?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peterski View Post
    That is not an "incredible" amount of variation, that is exactly the same amount of variation as among modern French population. And academic samples show that, also today, this variation does not strictly correlate with geography. There are people belonging to different genetic clusters but living in the same area - this is also the case in modern France based on academic samples.

    Apparently it was the case in ancient Gaul too.

    And yes, studies on the modern French have been criticized for not paying enough attention to origins of grandparents of the sampled individuals. But it is exactly the same case with ancient samples - we know nothing about genealogy of grandparents of ATT26 (for example). Did they at least examine the strontium isotopes to see who was locally born?
    Do we have the new Bronze age samples in G25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    Do we have the new Bronze age samples in G25?
    Not in official dataset. Davidski published them on forum Anthrogenica only as there have shit coverage (the same for IA).

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