Ancient genomes from present-day France unveil 7,000 years of its demographic history

[gixajo]

Haplogroup changing when yamnaya appeared is quite interesting . Did you noticed it?

[Eline]

Haplogroup changing when yamnaya appeared is quite interesting . Did you noticed it?

Yes, R1b came with the Gauls!

[gixajo]

Are the kits of the individuals used in G25 ancient models available in gedmatch ?

I am not interested in those exactly, but in one individual who was found in a dolmen near the village of my mother, that appeared casually in one of my results.

[gixajo]

Yes, R1b came with the Gauls!

g]

I guess is a joke.

No, it´s very interesting, is something already known time ago, but here we can see it pretty well, how the paternal side of Indoeuropeans supplants the previous one, but not in the same proportion maternal line of previous population.

[celticdragongod]

Distance to: CDG_scaled
0.03577431 FRA_IA:COL11
0.03728353 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04170613 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.05040868 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05207900 FRA_IAEY53
0.05493145 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.05515775 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05654879 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06078658 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06590770 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06621788 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.07314464 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.07362566 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.07989075 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.08481511 FRA_IA:NOR4

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.9967% / 0.02996738 | ADC: 2x
64.8 FRA_IA:COL11
35.2 FRA_IA:BFM265

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.9039% / 0.02903928 | ADC: 1x
54.8 FRA_IA:COL11
42.4 FRA_IA:BFM265
2.8 FRA_IA:BES1248

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7499% / 0.02749911 | ADC: 0.5x
47.2 FRA_IA:COL11
36.6 FRA_IA:BFM265
16.2 FRA_IA:BES1248

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7363% / 0.02736321 | ADC: 0.25x
44.8 FRA_IA:COL11
34.0 FRA_IA:BFM265
19.4 FRA_IA:BES1248
1.4 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.4 FRA_IA:NOR3-6

Target: CDG_scaled
Distance: 2.7321% / 0.02732052
44.0 FRA_IA:COL11
30.0 FRA_IA:BFM265
20.0 FRA_IA:BES1248
2.4 FRA_IA:ERS1164
2.0 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
1.6 FRA_IA:NOR4

[Daco Celtic]

Distance to: DacoCeltic_scaled
0.03423691 average_Central
0.03927802 average_North
0.04420762 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.04646285 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.04700995 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.04750392 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.04986210 average_South
0.05193589 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.05219918 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.05453842 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.05529729 FRA_IAEY53
0.05555213 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.05668221 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05874818 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.05875382 FRA_IA:COL11
0.06063956 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.06211210 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.06375474 FRA_IA:NOR4


Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 2.8987% / 0.02898707 | ADC: 0.25x
22.6 FRA_IA:ERS1164
16.8 FRA_IA:ATT26
13.0 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
11.8 FRA_IA:ERS88
11.6 FRA_IA:BES1248
11.0 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
9.8 FRA_IA:NOR4
3.4 FRA_IA:COL153A

Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 3.1461% / 0.03146141 | ADC: 0.5x
68.8 average_Central
14.4 FRA_IA:ATT26
9.8 FRA_IA:ERS1164
6.6 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.4 FRA_IA:NOR2B6

[gixajo]

OK New averages comparing to modern pops.

north

FRA_IA:ATT26,0.1161,0.132019,0.044877,0.039083,0.038776,0.013108,-0.006815,0.011999,0.014112,0.020957,-0.001299,0.007793,-0.024678,-0.011836,0.007872,0.007027,0.006128,0.008361,0.010307,-0.013632,0.003993,0.00779,0.020706,0.000482,0.008742
FRA_IA:BFM265,0.122929,0.148267,0.05242,0.037468,0.047086,0.018128,-0.00235,-0.000231,0.008795,0.012392,-0.007957,0.005695,-0.015312,-0.007844,0.020765,-0.003182,-0.016428,0.009122,0.006034,0.007504,-0.002246,0.000124,0.001109,-0.00012,0.002036
average,0.1195145,0.140143,0.0486485,0.0382755,0.042931,0.015618,-0.0045825,0.005884,0.0114535,0.0166745,-0.004628,0.006744,-0.019995,-0.00984,0.0143185,0.0019225,-0.00515,0.0087415,0.0081705,-0.003064,0.0008735,0.003957,0.0109075,0.000181,0.005389


central
FRA_IA:COL11,0.122929,0.13405,0.058454,0.064923,0.037238,0.020917,-0.008225,0.01223,0.008795,0.011116,-0.002273,0.002548,-0.016353,-0.003991,0.017508,-0.008221,-0.014603,-0.005954,0.006662,0.005378,0.006489,0.008161,0.010106,-0.001446,0.000599
FRA_IA:COL153A,0.130897,0.158423,0.045254,0.02584,0.036622,0.012271,0.006815,0.008538,0.003272,0.015126,0.009419,-0.007194,0.001189,-0.000963,0.005022,0.003182,-0.013038,0.00038,0.016592,0.001,-0.015847,0.007543,0.000863,-0.018798,0.005389
FRA_IA:COL153i,0.120652,0.127957,0.046763,0.024548,0.045239,-0.006136,0.015276,0.004154,0.015748,0.034078,-0.00341,0.017235,-0.022448,-0.010459,0.012622,-0.026518,0.005476,0.008868,-0.001131,0.015883,-0.000749,-0.000742,-0.010476,0.003253,0.008143
FRA_IA:ERS86,0.122929,0.161469,0.040729,0.030039,0.040623,0.008646,-0.010105,0.005077,0.006954,0.007289,-0.00065,0.005845,-0.010852,-0.002752,0.005157,0.021745,-0.004172,0.009755,0.011313,-0.005753,0.000624,0.012365,-0.004683,-0.012893,0.00012
FRA_IA:ERS88,0.130897,0.155376,0.044123,0.005168,0.033237,0.000837,-0.004935,-0.005769,0.011249,0.02442,-0.004872,-0.001499,-0.023042,-0.016239,0.012079,-0.017104,-0.014603,-0.006461,-0.014204,-0.002251,-0.002496,0.000742,0.001356,0,0.000239
FRA_IA:ERS1164,0.124067,0.121864,0.052797,0.030039,0.033237,0.010877,0.011516,0.00923,0,0.019135,-0.002598,-0.01154,-0.01115,-0.012799,0.009908,0.006364,-0.002738,0.00038,0.001257,-0.004627,-0.007487,0.003957,0.002218,-0.011809,0.005389
FRA_IA:Jeb8,0.118376,0.138112,0.05506,0.027132,0.045239,-0.008367,-0.00329,0.003461,0.012271,0.010023,-0.00341,0.007194,-0.020812,-0.010046,0.016694,0.007425,-0.000391,-0.001647,0.000377,0.005378,-0.003868,-0.00136,-0.009983,-0.003615,0.007065
FRA_IA:NOR2B6,0.120652,0.147252,0.044877,0.005814,0.0397,0.003347,-0.010105,0.007384,0.016975,0.014943,0.010718,0.01109,-0.008771,-0.004542,0.012215,0.018165,0.027772,0.004941,0.005405,0.002876,0.006364,-0.007543,-0.001109,-0.00253,-0.007784
FRA_IA:NOR3-6,0.133173,0.146236,0.050157,0.046189,0.029852,0.017291,-0.007755,0.005077,0.012885,0.001276,-0.002598,0.015137,-0.022745,-0.013212,0.020087,-0.007823,-0.021383,0.007095,-0.001006,0.006753,0.004866,0.005193,-0.002835,-0.007953,-0.000239
FRA_IA:NOR3-15,0.117238,0.149283,0.061471,0.022287,0.043393,-0.005299,0.005405,-0.001615,0.013703,0.018224,-0.005196,0.00045,-0.014569,-0.012111,0.022394,-0.005171,-0.019558,-0.006841,-0.004902,0.013381,-0.002121,-0.002844,-0.015652,-0.003615,0.002395
FRA_IA:NOR4,0.12862,0.151314,0.058454,0.001615,0.046778,-0.006136,-0.000705,0.014538,0.023929,0.031345,-0.013153,0.006594,-0.022448,-0.016377,-0.016965,0.004773,0.005737,-0.010135,0.011941,0.005503,0.006239,0.006183,-0.011462,0.007471,-0.002994
average,0.1245845455,0.1446669091,0.0507399091,0.0257812727,0.0391961818,0.0043861818,-0.0005552727,0.0056640909,0.0114346364,0.0169977273,-0.0016384545,0.0041690909,-0.0156364545,-0.0094082727,0.010611,-0.0002893636,-0.0046819091,3.46363636363638E-005,0.0029367273,0.0039564545,-0.000726,0.0028777273,-0.003787,-0.0047213636,0.0016656364

south
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0.050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636,0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
average,0.1308965,0.1335425,0.057511,0.0408595,0.046624,0.018825,0.000705,-0.0020765,0.0049085,0.0064695,0.004547,0.014387,-0.014123,-0.0077065,0.022733,-0.0011935,-0.005215,0.0041805,-0.0052165,-0.001563,0.015223,0.001298,-0.0139885,0.001024,-0.004371

I don´t know why I get better distances with central samples and not with South ones.



Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5204% / 0.02520371
30.0 FRA_IA:ERS88
27.8 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
16.6 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
15.8 FRA_IA:COL153i
9.8 FRA_IA:NOR4

Target: gixajo_scaled
Distance: 2.5210% / 0.02520966 | ADC: 0.25x
30.8 FRA_IA:ERS88
27.6 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
17.0 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
15.2 FRA_IA:COL153i
9.4 FRA_IA:NOR4


Distance to: gixajo_scaled
0.03773062 averageCentral
0.04212763 FRA_IA:ERS88
0.04416381 FRA_IA:NOR3-15
0.04483023 FRA_IA:Jeb8
0.05128186 FRA_IA:NOR2B6
0.05148714 FRA_IA:COL153i
0.05272917 FRA_IA:NOR4
0.05487212 averageNorth
0.05512703 FRA_IA:BFM265
0.05940530 FRA_IA:ERS86
0.06212623 FRA_IA:ERS1164
0.06278213 FRA_IA:COL153A
0.06312113 FRA_IAEY53
0.06443228 averageSouth
0.06567193 FRA_IA:ATT26
0.06938475 FRA_IA:NOR3-6
0.07652085 FRA_IA:BES1248
0.08207717 FRA_IA:COL11

[Grace O'Malley]

Haven't had a chance to read this paper yet but will asap. So L21 in Bronze Age France. First continental L21. That's nice. Clarifying my post that is outside ancient samples from Britain and Ireland. I hope more of these type of studies come out.

[gixajo]

Haven't had a chance to read this paper yet but will asap. So L21 in Bronze Age France. First continental L21. That's nice.

Anyway, I don´t know if the criteria for grouping samples in North/Center/South is the best.

[Peterski]

Don't bother me with your English second language or coping mechanisms right now Frenchie

How does our Prussian Xeno Warrior Prince feel about his beloved Nordic Viking I1-M253 haplogrup being possibly descended from the ancient Frenchies?:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post6719591

(...) Target: FRA_IA_south YES
Distance: 2.8076% / 0.02807648 | ADC: 1x
68.2 French_Brittany
24.2 Orcadian
7.6 French_Seine-Maritime

^^^
So, anyone still remembers the "Breton outlier" from Empuries?:

Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206
0.03406911 French_Brittany
0.03535686 English
0.03539862 Welsh
0.03577452 Dutch
0.03719681 Norwegian
0.03722799 Irish
0.03732860 Scottish
0.03754347 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.03770647 English_Cornwall
0.03812733 Belgian
0.03880635 Orcadian
(...)

By the way, these two could also be Gauls from South France:

Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8214
0.03024663 French_Occitanie
0.03292765 French_Auvergne
0.03293229 French_South
(...)

Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203
0.03155570 French_Occitanie
0.03188408 Swiss_French
0.03199066 French_Auvergne
(...)

south
FRA_IA:PEY53,0.133173,0.139128,0.050534,0.039083,0.050163,0.010598,-0.006345,-0.000692,0.008181,0.005103,-0.001624,0.016935,-0.019326,-0.007844,0.029451,-0.001724,-0.008996,0.003674,0.005028,-0.007128,0.010606,0.005193,-0.01861,-0.006507,0.008023
FRA_IA:BES1248,0.12862,0.127957,0.064488,0.042636,0.043085,0.027052,0.007755,-0.003461,0.001636,0.007836,0.010718,0.011839,-0.00892,-0.007569,0.016015,-0.000663,-0.001434,0.004687,-0.015461,0.004002,0.01984,-0.002597,-0.009367,0.008555,-0.016765
average,0.1308965,0.1335425,0.057511,0.0408595,0.046624,0.018825,0.000705,-0.0020765,0.0049085,0.0064695,0.004547,0.014387,-0.014123,-0.0077065,0.022733,-0.0011935,-0.005215,0.0041805,-0.0052165,-0.001563,0.015223,0.001298,-0.0139885,0.001024,-0.004371

Distance to: average
0.02910918 French_Brittany
0.02991663 English
0.03013606 Welsh
0.03041254 Orcadian

^^^ These four (or at least 3 from them) could be Southern Gauls as well, and one of them is also very northern:

Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8203,0.126344,0.14319,0.051288,0.021641,0.037238,-0.005299,0.00094,0.004846,0.024747,0.026971,-0.003897,0.008992,-0.025272,-0.026011,0.008822,0.004906,0.012126,-0.003547,0.003268,0.003627,0.007487,0.000618,-0.001972,0.004458,-0.00467
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8206,0.125205,0.127957,0.053928,0.048773,0.040931,0.013387,0.006815,0.006231,0.012067,0.014214,-0.001786,-0.005245,-0.015163,-0.018029,0.021444,0.011403,0.011735,0.010262,0.003897,0.009129,0.009733,-0.000989,-0.004807,0.016629,0.006227
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8209,0.12862,0.145221,0.054682,0.013243,0.043393,0.009761,-0.001175,0.006,0.026384,0.033167,-0.006658,0.018434,-0.016501,-0.023121,0.011401,0.004508,0.005085,0.000127,0.003897,-0.009254,0.001123,0.00507,0.002218,-0.009881,0.008263
Iberia_Northeast_Empuries1:I8214,0.130897,0.138112,0.058454,0.026809,0.046162,0.008367,-0.001175,-0.004154,0.016771,0.030069,-0.001624,0.009741,-0.022299,-0.014588,0.010586,0.00769,0.002868,0.002787,0.003645,0.001376,0.011105,0.006801,-0.00986,-0.012893,0.005628

On the other hand, these two were Greeks of course:

Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
0.04754349 Italian_Campania
0.04775060 Italian_Apulia
0.04848198 Italian_Basilicata
0.04888284 Italian_Calabria
(...)

Distance to: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208
0.05613572 Sicilian_East
0.05715079 Italian_Apulia
0.05753055 Italian_Campania
0.05772763 Italian_Calabria
(...)