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    Quote Originally Posted by Joso View Post
    Well, i already gave a lot of reasons why but if a more elaborated explanation is recquired then ok, i will do it.
    But give me some time, i can't reason as fast as you
    But they were mostly not really to do with masturbation and casual sex. Here's what you said that did have to do with masturbation, and not porn:

    Don't you agree that sex obsession is what destroy most societies and individuals?
    No, I don't.

    I mean it is much easier to be addicted to masturbation/sex than to any other things, most likely.
    Some people claim to be addicted to sex but a large number of psychologists and psychiatrists deny the validity of 'sex addiction.' Most likely the majority (if not all) of so-called 'sex addicts' are just impulsive people with limited self-control who view their sex lives as a problem because of infidelity or how their sex life ties in to their self worth. The issue is not with the sex, it is with the individual.

    It also will make us more likely to be depressive, anxious, to have panic sindrome and such because it makes the chemical reactions to get delayed and confuse.
    I disagree; please provide sources or reasoning.

    And also because someone that depends too much endorphine will became less likely to give importance for seratonine throught the time pass on, withouth noticing it.
    Again I don't think you can 'rely' on sex or masturbation - throw a man into a foxhole and his thoughts will change to other things. Nonetheless, it is healthy to want to have sex, we are biologically wired to want to and to enjoy it.

    You don't understand, masturbation is just the tip of the iceberg, someone that likes to masturbate tend to have much more problems tham just it and will eventually fall for other forms of addiction.
    Again I disagree and would like to see evidence or reasoning.

    Masturbators are also not innocent, since when they do it they are caring only for their own pleasure but life is not based only on pleasure, so they are fulling themselves, they are commiting a serious act against themselves.
    I don't view masturbation as inherent self-harm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joso View Post
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    So is masturbating and casual sex.
    I would agree with this postulation; since most of our baser instincts derive from the basal ganglia and brain stem that derives from one's reptilian brain due to one's incapacity to override the baser instincts.

    Lets review Maslow's hierarchy of needs to assert one's claims and dissect the logic of his assertions:



    One's primal needs strongly derive from one's ego; which in other words, is the promotion of one's self image on a superficial level. This derivative is subconsciously reinforced via external media and the need of validation to assuage some deep seated inadequacies that is akin to Pavlov's notion of classical conditioning. The inducement of a neutral stimuli the is externally reinforced through conditioned responses. Hence, the outcome will operate on circular logic and a predilection to reinforced, conditioned stimuli.

    Whereas the development of one's neomammalian brain with its associated routines and its cognitive functions are strong reinforcers for sublimating these induced, primal inclinations into more positive desires that can be reached via mindfulness and self actualization. The overrides the superficiality of one's ego to more amenable and esoteric hobbies that is more self directed towards one's own desires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joso View Post
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    So is masturbating and casual sex.
    I would agree with this postulation; since most of our baser instincts derive from the basal ganglia and brain stem that derives from one's reptilian brain due to one's incapacity to override the baser instincts. So functions such as food, sex and other basic functions will be cognitively reinforced through external stimuli that promote these nuisanced predilections for momentary, basic pleasure that negate one's neocortex.

    Lets review Maslow's hierarchy of needs to assert one's claims and dissect the logic of his assertions:



    Whereas the neocortex of the brain has its associated executive functions to inhibit one's reptilian inclinations. Hence, self actualization for higher purposes expels these lesser cognitive functions that are reinforced through Pavlov's classical conditioning. So contentment in one's life negates one's baser instincts that in turn negates one's impulsive inclinations in more socially appropriate ways.

    Nevertheless, external influences such as one's socioeconomic status and interpersonal values act as amenable antecedents in how one internalizes one's relationships. Inevitably, when one is dictated solely by one's id/reptilian impulses; polygamous predilections will occur. When one is dictated by one's neocortex; monogamous predilections are paramount.
    “The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the light into the peace and safety of a new dark age.”

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    None of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longbowman View Post
    But they were mostly not really to do with masturbation and casual sex. Here's what you said that did have to do with masturbation, and not porn:
    Well, that is what you affirm. My point really was against masturbation. I am not foccusing much on casual sex, even because i still have to think a bit about it.
    But casual sex is certainly more normal than masturbation and makes more sense.
    I can't understand why you think masturbation and porn are so different...
    Anyways, this thread was originally meant to be a trolling thread, i though it was obvious. I am known to be very ironic, anyone that check my postline or just know me here is aware of that.
    I only decided to take the bait to argumentation because i think it would be interesting, even because the average TA member have no idea of how an argument is made.
    But i was not serious in the OP.
    I even did a comment like this one in the beginning in first page( of course i could not have been serious there lol):

    Quote Originally Posted by Joso View Post
    Going by the same logic we could say that sleeping is like a suicidal attempt as we are not full conscient when asleep.
    No, I don't.
    Ok.

    Some people claim to be addicted to sex but a large number of psychologists and psychiatrists deny the validity of 'sex addiction.' Most likely the majority (if not all) of so-called 'sex addicts' are just impulsive people with limited self-control who view their sex lives as a problem because of infidelity or how their sex life ties in to their self worth. The issue is not with the sex, it is with the individual.
    It doesn't makes sense. The existence of rapists desmitify it easily.
    You should come to Brazil if you think that sex addiction is not a thing haha
    But continuing, modern psychology seens to be highly influentiated by Freud. which was accused of being a sexual maniac( and was cocaine addict, so it would not be so far fetched that to assume that his defense of sex could as a much of a cope as was his defense of cocaince), so it is very convenient for psychologists to say things like that.
    The problem with the Freudian theory is that it disconsiders the fact that humans are not uniform when it comes to brain functioning, many humans are not even "normal" pyschologically( like autists for an example).
    This is why the good old phrenology is still appliable.
    About the Freudian way of thinking, it could basically be summed like that:
    Freud states that human thoughts are developed by differentiated processes, relating this idea to that our brain works essentially in the field of semantics, that is, the mind develops thoughts in an intricate system of language based on images, which are mere representations of latent meanings.
    But that is certainly not true for everyone, actually people that possue brains that work like that tend to be Jews like Freud... Too much coincidence, no?
    Not everyone have a brain foccused on semantics, actually majority of people probably haven't( even though it is more common nowadays).
    Autists, for instance, tend to be bad on semantics but it doesn't mean that they cannot be good on other fields, in fact, they can be even higher functional than normal people in the area of their interest which tend to be related to vision in most cases.

    I disagree; please provide sources or reasoning.
    I will not provide any source because it is not a battle of sources, it is a debate.
    Debates should be fought by using arguments, logic. Not through sources.
    Sources are just another way to say that someone else agrees with you but science should be based on logic, not on consensus.
    Even theories are much more valuable than consensus, it is well known.

    Again I don't think you can 'rely' on sex or masturbation - throw a man into a foxhole and his thoughts will change to other things. Nonetheless, it is healthy to want to have sex, we are biologically wired to want to and to enjoy it.
    Yes, it is healthy to want sex but masturbation is not sex. Just like fast food is not nutrition.

    Again I disagree and would like to see evidence or reasoning.
    I don't need to provide any. It is time to think for yourself, my friend.

    I don't view masturbation as inherent self-harm.
    But it clearly is.
    And it is not even a question of self harm alone, we humans are aware that our wolrd is not made only of ourselves, masturbation obviously reflect egoism.
    We are meant to be rational. A chronic masturbator is a disgrace for his own specie.

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    Neither is a genocide.
    However, race mixing when promoted as a nation's future on group level by politicians is indeed a pretty criminal act. On individual level there's nothing wrong with it, as long as the two have enough common values.
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    No, neither are genocide. People who think it's genocide clearly don't know how genocide works.
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