Carleton Coon quotes on 'Hallstatt Nordics'. Mistaken Altantids?

[Norb]

The hair color of the Hallstatt Nordic is characteristically and almost exclusively blond, with ash-blond shades in one-third to one-half of the cases, the remainder having golden blond to medium brown shades. Rufosity is virtually absent. There is a small brunet minority, but this may not necessarily have its origin in non-Nordic admixture. One must assume that not all Nordics experienced an equal degree of depigmentation.
The Nordic eye is typically light-mixed blue, with a large pure light-eyed minority. Here also there is a small dark-pigmented minority.


There is a minority of dark eyes in otherwise perfectly morphologically Nordic individuals, and this is best noted in eastern valleys of Norway where the aforementioned type has exceptional concentration and exists in great purity.

could he be mistaking this 'darker' type as Atlantids or Nordo-MEDS?

[Immanenz]

its possible that he was mixing those types since he believed in the theory that Nordids are nothing more than depigmented Mediterranids. Most of his "exotic" Nordid examples are laughable btw so his concept of "Hallstatt"/Corded was still very vague. Those "dark Norwegian Nordids were propably Paleo Atlantid/ Tydal- Hallstatt mixes, who were metrically/ feature wise more on the Nordid side, or as you said- maybe also Atlantids.

[Jana]

You are Nordic, not Atlantid.

[The Blade]

This is why ''Atlantid'' is always a safer term when skull and/or facial traits show Mediterranean admixture and the whole constitution stands between Nordic and Mediterranean types. Atlantids are in fact very rare in areas like The Netherlands, Norway or Sweden. Most of the darker types in Scandinavia are either still Nordic or Paleo Atlantid.
And much of Coon's theories are debunked (he did well mainly regarding Saxon and Celtic types and when giving metrics). When it comes to pigmentation, he wasn't amongst the greatest.
Look what he said about this New Englander:
''New Englander of Colonial British descent. This tall, slenderly built, ash-blond-haired Nordic is an extreme example of the Corded type which entered Britain first during the Bronze Age in conjunction with brachycephals, and later during the Iron Age as an element in the Nordic invading groups. Its presence in New England in 1938 can only be regarded as a complete reëmergence.''

I agree that the man is feature-wise (and apparently metrically, too) very Corded Nordic but this hair isn't even blond to begin with, what left for ash blond Yes, I know lighting can sometimes change perceptions but this isn't obviously the case. The lightest this hair colour could be in reality under the sun is medium brown.

[Columella]

Only following Coon’s 1939 system.
His Nordic (Halstatt/ Osterdahl ) is technically an blondified Med and the other types are just “gradients to his “Bruenn” type.
I would not loose sleep on it.
Nordics usually have Light to mid brown hair when they hit 30-40 anyway.

[Columella]

The whole pigmentation + C.I. = race is ultimately destined to fail.
Or at least it would be easier to classify on a C.I. Basis (brachymorphs vs dolicomorphs) rather than Blonde vs Darks.

Nordic race is essentially a fair hair light skin and light eyes modification that happened especially in Northern Europe at least for late Mesolithic (according to today’s data). However this is again independent from C.I.
So darkness is inevitably present in Nordic’s make up and that’s mainly why we get sometimes dark individuals in nordic countries.

So in your case you are suitably in the Nordic/Mediterranean range, (which if we want we can call Atlantid..North Atlantic etc..”
Because of evidence of blonde hair and cultural expression, the “Nordic” element of the equation seems dominant.

[Septentrion]

The hair color of the Hallstatt Nordic is characteristically and almost exclusively blond, with ash-blond shades in one-third to one-half of the cases, the remainder having golden blond to medium brown shades. Rufosity is virtually absent. There is a small brunet minority, but this may not necessarily have its origin in non-Nordic admixture. One must assume that not all Nordics experienced an equal degree of depigmentation.
The Nordic eye is typically light-mixed blue, with a large pure light-eyed minority. Here also there is a small dark-pigmented minority.


There is a minority of dark eyes in otherwise perfectly morphologically Nordic individuals, and this is best noted in eastern valleys of Norway where the aforementioned type has exceptional concentration and exists in great purity.

could he be mistaking this 'darker' type as Atlantids or Nordo-MEDS?

You are a Hallstatt Nordid, no question about it. As your facial features are Hallstatt not even Keltic Nordid. Remember the Atlantid is intermediate between the Nordid and Atlanto - Mediterranean, you do not manifest such features. It is just your eye color which isn’t as light as what is typically Hallstatt ( grayish - blue). No, Coon was not speaking about the Atlantid race when he said that. You are also not North Atlantid, as you do not manifest the contrast between very dark hair with blue or light eyes, a pale skin and Keltic Nordid features.

[Septentrion]

This is why ''Atlantid'' is always a safer term when skull and/or facial traits show Mediterranean admixture and the whole constitution stands between Nordic and Mediterranean types. Atlantids are in fact very rare in areas like The Netherlands, Norway or Sweden. Most of the darker types in Scandinavia are either still Nordic or Paleo Atlantid.
And much of Coon's theories are debunked (he did well mainly regarding Saxon and Celtic types and when giving metrics). When it comes to pigmentation, he wasn't amongst the greatest.
Look what he said about this New Englander:
''New Englander of Colonial British descent. This tall, slenderly built, ash-blond-haired Nordic is an extreme example of the Corded type which entered Britain first during the Bronze Age in conjunction with brachycephals, and later during the Iron Age as an element in the Nordic invading groups. Its presence in New England in 1938 can only be regarded as a complete reëmergence.''

I agree that the man is feature-wise (and apparently metrically, too) very Corded Nordic but this hair isn't even blond to begin with, what left for ash blond Yes, I know lighting can sometimes change perceptions but this isn't obviously the case. The lightest this hair colour could be in reality under the sun is medium brown.

It is a black and white picture dude. Thus could be very difficult to determine his hair color. He is said to ash blond-haired OK? Therefore he is very light - haired.

[Septentrion]

This is why ''Atlantid'' is always a safer term when skull and/or facial traits show Mediterranean admixture and the whole constitution stands between Nordic and Mediterranean types. Atlantids are in fact very rare in areas like The Netherlands, Norway or Sweden. Most of the darker types in Scandinavia are either still Nordic or Paleo Atlantid.
And much of Coon's theories are debunked (he did well mainly regarding Saxon and Celtic types and when giving metrics). When it comes to pigmentation, he wasn't amongst the greatest.
Look what he said about this New Englander:
''New Englander of Colonial British descent. This tall, slenderly built, ash-blond-haired Nordic is an extreme example of the Corded type which entered Britain first during the Bronze Age in conjunction with brachycephals, and later during the Iron Age as an element in the Nordic invading groups. Its presence in New England in 1938 can only be regarded as a complete reëmergence.''

I agree that the man is feature-wise (and apparently metrically, too) very Corded Nordic but this hair isn't even blond to begin with, what left for ash blond Yes, I know lighting can sometimes change perceptions but this isn't obviously the case. The lightest this hair colour could be in reality under the sun is medium brown.

It is a black and white picture dude. Thus could be very difficult to determine his hair color. He is said to ash blond-haired OK? Therefore he is very light - haired.

[The Blade]

It is a black and white picture dude. Thus could be very difficult to determine his hair color. He is said to ash blond-haired OK? Therefore he is very light - haired.

I know that to someone extremely obstinate like you this might be hard to accept but THIS MAN IS CLEARLY BROWN-HAIRED.
Lighting may change the true colour to a degree but not that much.
Why don't we see some other examples by Coon to illustrate it (quotes are all from link below - a troe plate):
http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Furt...roeplate27.htm
''A Finn of predominantly Corded type; note the ash-blond hair and grayish eyes, the great head length, and extremely low cephalic index. In head and face proportions a resemblance is seen to the Corded-like Irano-Afghan sub-type, a resemblance which is enhanced if pigmentation differences are ignored Both metrically and morphologically this individual is seen to be fully Mediterranean; there is no evidence of Upper Palaeolithic admixture.''

Even on these photos it's obvious the man is blond (apparently a little blonder under the sun).
''A Swede from Sonderhamn who represents the same type, and who is very similar in most dimensions. The population of most of Sweden is predominantly Nordic; typical Upper Palaeolithic survivors are numerous only along the southwestern coast.''

This man is also apparently blond.
''A Nordic Dane of Jutish parentage who also shows Corded predominance. His face is of extreme length, a trait common among ancient Corded crania. This individual is the son of the classic Borreby man shown on Plate 5, Fig. 1; this is graphic evidence of the fact that ancient racial types may be repeated in toto in individuals of mixed racial ancestry. Only through the agency of such segregation is it possible to present this collection of basic European racial photographs.''

A pretty light-haired individual, too.
And now we come to the last one:
''New Englander of Colonial British descent. This tall, slenderly built, ash-blond-haired Nordic is an extreme example of the Corded type which entered Britain first during the Bronze Age in conjunction with brachycephals, and later during the Iron Age as an element in the Nordic invading groups. Its presence in New England in 1938 can only be regarded as a complete reemergence.''

WTF? Are you serious? Regardless if you are comparing this man and the first one (described also as ash blond) at a dull light or outside, under the sun, there is a several nuances gap in their hair colour. In fact all the other 3 men are significantly lighter-haired than the New Englander.
His colour in reality wouldn't be lighter than what is universally treated as medium brown. His hair is even darker than mine and, trust me, most people don't perceive me as blond (nor do I view myself as such), what left for ash blond...
And stop trying desperately to act like an alpha (OK? ultimative tone and such bullshit). You are a parody in many aspects.