Who looks more Western European, Brits or Iberians?

[YoungSkywalker]

It's really weird how Brits and Iberians are both Western Europeans, yet Americans consider Anglo-Saxons and Hispanics to be of different ethnicities...
A lot of Latinos have Native American or black ancestry but there is also a strong Iberian vibe in most of them.

Guess what, I'm your average dark-haired and green-eyed white guy of Spanish descent but here in the US, people always ask me: "Are you Hispanic?"
Most White Americans probably don't know that Iberians are far more Western than even themselves.

[PaleoEuropean]

Paleo atlantids don't look even European in many cases, let alone Western European...

How can an endemic native phenotype not look European? That's like saying Gregory Peck doesn't look European (he is paleo-Atlantid)

[PaleoEuropean]

This is like asking who looks more latino, Cubans or Venezuelans. Western European is the broadest term you can ever use. Western Europe is pretty much everything that isn't Eastern Europe.

[YoungSkywalker]

I just find it weird how people in the US associate Western Europe or "White" people in general with Northern looks.
Most Americans don't even know that the look they call "Hispanic" actually originated in Iberia and therefore in Western Europe (ignoring the Amerindian influence).

They don't consider Hispanics to be related to White Anglo-Saxons.

[Septentrion]

I know this question sounds pretty stupid since both the UK and Spain/Portugal are in Western Europe.

However, when I ask people about Western Europeans, they mostly tend to think of blonde-haired, blue-eyed and pale-skinned people.

But is this really true? Shouldn't it be the opposite since Iberians have a more ancient gene pool? Aren't brown hair and brown eyes more Western European than anything else (contrary to the Western European stereotypes)?

I think Brits are just lighter because they had more Germanic invasions and are located at a more northern latitude.

What most people think about Western Europeans: Blonde/Red hair, pinkish skin
The reality: Mostly brown hair, brown eyes

Do you agree?

Yes, I agree it sounds stupid! Western Europe Proper encompasses not in the broad sense, the following countries France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, Lichtenstein and Austria. These Europeans vary in phenotypes such as Alpinid, Subnordid, Atlantid, Borreby, Norid to be common. Mediterraneans are found too, but never to the same level of Iberia or the Italian peninsula! Come on, it’s that simple. Now in the broadest sense, we may include the British Isles in the northwest and Iberians in the southwest.
Americans were colonized by the British, therefore they judge «whiteness» only on a «Northern European scope». Forgetting that Europe is more than just Northern Europe. I do not blame them, due to the fact that their founding fathers set this racial basis or foundation. I cannot argue that blond hair to a lesser extent red hair, fair skin, light eyes are more frequent among Western Europeans Proper than they’d be in Spain ( percentage - wise). The British are not Western European Proper, they are more precisely Northwesterners and have their own «insular looks».

[Dorian]

Yes, I agree it sounds stupid! Western Europe Proper encompasses not in the broad sense, the following countries France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Germany, Lichtenstein and Austria. These Europeans vary in phenotypes such as Alpinid, Subnordid, Atlantid, Borreby, Norid to be common. Mediterraneans are found too, but never to the same level of Iberia or the Italian peninsula! Come on, it’s that simple. Now in the broadest sense, we may include the British Isles in the northwest and Iberians in the southwest.
Americans were colonized by the British, therefore they judge «whiteness» only on a «Northern European scope». Forgetting that Europe is more than just Northern Europe. I do not blame them, due to the fact that their founding fathers set this racial basis or foundation. I can not argue that blond hair to a lesser extent red hair, fair skin, light eyes are more frequent among Western Europeans Proper than they’d be in Spain ( percentage - wise).

It's not simply a matter of variation ,we're talking about different worlds..one thing is the transitional centroeuropid celto-alpines of France ,Switzerland Belgium etc another the Germanics ,don't mistake transitional areas with more homogeneous ones!

[Septentrion]

It's not simply a matter of variation ,we're talking about different worlds..one thing is the transitional centroeuropid celto-alpines of France ,Switzerland Belgium etc another the Germanics ,don't mistake transitional areas with more homogeneous ones!

OK. Whatever that means. Be more specific next time. I am ethnically Western Germanic from Belgium ( Vlaams/Flemish). Don’t confuse phenotype with culture and linguistics.

[Dorian]

OK. Whatever that means. Be more specific next time. I am ethnically Western Germanic from Belgium ( Vlaams/Flemish). Don’t confuse phenotype with culture and linguistics.

I don't confuse them ,speaking about phenotypes only ,you've put them in the same category as If the differences are minimal between these countries when that's not the case.

[Cristiano viejo]

How can an endemic native phenotype not look European? That's like saying Gregory Peck doesn't look European (he is paleo-Atlantid)

This welsh guy has been classified as paleo Atlantid
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Chris-Coleman

To me he does not look European by mixed. There are more cases
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ctor-Ivan-Kaye

When British look weird people say paleo Atlantid to disguise

[Davystayn]

Chris Coleman, like Ryan Giggs, has black ancestry. Ivan Kaye is paleo atlantid I guess