Shocker: many Turks are actually closer to Pashtuns than Kurds are

[Trouble]

I bet Im the only one who saw this coming. Makes sense cause Kurds are pretty much fully west eurasian.

Sample Details Fit Map Pashtun
1 Kurdish:Average 11.7326 Open Map 100
2 Turkish_Balikesir:Average 11.4215 Open Map 100
3 Turkish_Central:Average 12.0089 Open Map 100
4 Turkish_Istanbul:Average 12.358 Open Map 100
5 Turkish_Kayseri:Average 12.7846 Open Map 100
6 Turkish_South:Average 10.4136 Open Map 100
7 Turkish_Southwest:Average 11.0459 Open Map 100

8 Turkish_North:Average 10.9946 Open Map 100
9 Turkish_Northwest:Average 11.3744 Open Map 100

[Trouble]

And not just pashtuns but all S/SC Asians

[Synapsid]

And not just pashtuns but all S/SC Asians

No, it not surprising. Turkics brought South Asian and central Asian affinities to Anatolia

[Trouble]

No, it not surprising. Turkics brought South Asian and central Asian affinities to Anatolia

But the original Turkish population was more Med shifted so you'd think it evens out(and to be fair, it does to a large extent).

BTW its more central asian than anything but the Mong element creates all kinds of indirect eastern affinities.

[Synapsid]

But the original Turkish population was more Med shifted so you'd think it evens out(and to be fair, it does to a large extent).

BTW its more central asian than anything but the Mong element creates all kinds of indirect eastern affinities.

Yes, the Mong creates affinities for ASI populations

[Marmara]

Well, this isn't true.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...fghan-descent)

But apparently they score some Mongoloid which would have made sense.

Kurds aren't pure West Asians, that would be Armenians. Kurds score significant South Asian.

[Trouble]

Well, this isn't true.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...fghan-descent)

But apparently they score some Mongoloid which would have made sense.

Kurds aren't pure West Asians, that would be Armenians. Kurds score significant South Asian.

1) Yes it is. This shows the weakness of gedmatch with regard to G25. Gedmatch can assign components but it cannot weight those components in terms of how related they are to each other. So you get Kurds showing up before Turks on there for Pashtuns. G25 by contrast indicates the diverged nature of certain ancestries/components. In this case, it is east asian/mongoloid.

2)No, Kurds don't have significant south asian. In fact they can be modeled perfectly well without it-meaning it's very small.

[FinalFlash]

Well, this isn't true.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...fghan-descent)

But apparently they score some Mongoloid which would have made sense.

Kurds aren't pure West Asians, that would be Armenians. Kurds score significant South Asian.

No West Asian ethnic group is purely West Asian.

[Bender1999]

Well, this isn't true.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...fghan-descent)

But apparently they score some Mongoloid which would have made sense.

Kurds aren't pure West Asians, that would be Armenians. Kurds score significant South Asian.

Thats high Med for an Afghan. But what is the definition for west asian? Caucasian? Also many others in West asia score the same amount of south asian admix like kurds.

Pashtuns score a visible heritage of early iranics in their genetics, the iranic groups of west asia less. And pashtuns are more south-central asia(Gedrosia)/south asian shifted, turks and kurds have just gedrosian shifted genetics.

[Zoro]

I bet Im the only one who saw this coming. Makes sense cause Kurds are pretty much fully west eurasian.

Sample Details Fit Map Pashtun
1 Kurdish:Average 11.7326 Open Map 100
2 Turkish_Balikesir:Average 11.4215 Open Map 100
3 Turkish_Central:Average 12.0089 Open Map 100
4 Turkish_Istanbul:Average 12.358 Open Map 100
5 Turkish_Kayseri:Average 12.7846 Open Map 100
6 Turkish_South:Average 10.4136 Open Map 100
7 Turkish_Southwest:Average 11.0459 Open Map 100

8 Turkish_North:Average 10.9946 Open Map 100
9 Turkish_Northwest:Average 11.3744 Open Map 100

You should always have someone who knows how to do formal stats check G25 against qpWave for cladliness and especially if as you said the G25 results conflicted with Admixture calculators because G25 is not used in the scientific world.

Anyways this didn't make sense in light of Afghan Pashtuns being Iranics like Kurds and Iranians so I had them checked against qpWave and these are the actual results for Afghan Pashtun. This list is sorted with the top being the most related and the bottom least.

Notice where Kurds and other west Asians fall. I can't show you other Turks because this high snp dataset only had Kayseri Turks and Turks (unknown region). Also notice were Druze and Greeks are since there are some people that claim various things about Pashtun origins.

QpWave – Test, Pashtun-Afghan – Cladliness Check – Rank 0
SAMPLE	CHI SQ	P-value	SNPs USED
Balochi_PK	18.92	0.273	178990
Kalash	20.24	0.2094	183127
Baloch_IR	22.98	0.1143	243867
Sindhi	36.04	0	179193
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ	36.80	0.0022	246621
Iranian_SW	40.97	0	242910
Lezgin	42.53	0	178528
Iranian	42.74	0	178087
Russia_NOssetian	50.25	0	177594
Kurd-Kurmanji-IQ	51.76	0	246394
Iranian_NW	52.90	0	180341
Kurd_Sorani	56.47	0	245644
Kurds_Feyli	56.51	0	245934
Turkish	68.43	0	245428
Adygei	72.34	0	179045
Turkish_Kayseri	79.45	0	177355
Georgian	110.24	0	178611
Turkmen	115.32	0	245436
Armenian	126.59	0	177615
Assyrians	147.72	0	182961
Estonian	157.97	0	177823
Greek	163.45	0	177950
Druze	184.36	0	178087
Jordanian	193.56	0	143069
BedouinB	223.91	0	180463
Sardinian	374.64	0	145697
Buryat	676.46	0	241480

G25 results were also off with formal stats in this other thread

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...further/page17