Who is swarthier, Welsh or Bavarians?

[Oliver109]

I'd venture to guess Bavaria because there are significant amount of pure Alpines perhaps Dinarics but those aren't the only types. With the Welsh even the paleo-atlantid (darkest types) tend to look nordicized unlike some alpines and/or dinarics in Bavaria which are not technically noric or sub-nordid. You can take that with a huge grain of salt , though, since I never visited Bavaria I can't be sure.

I think you are broadly right, the Welsh in general look very British, they have a higher porportion of dark hair but they are pale usually, even more so than the south east English i think so they could never be called swarthy in any way. The Bavarians must be very similar i think to the northern French in pigmentation though certainly lighter than the central French as my recent thread on pigmentation in C France and Austria established.

[calxpal]

Bavarians I'd imagine

[Geschichte]

I'm not experienced with Welsh but Bavarians have a fair portion of brunette people that can look Southern European like the Italians.

[Supercomputer]

Austria has a higher share of light hair than Wales.



If we assume Bavaria is on Austrian level, then Bavaria lighter in hair colour. In eye colour Wales could be slightly lighter but not by much. Virchow found 66% light eyes in Bavaria, TNH found 68% light eyes in Wales.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Austria has a higher share of light hair than Wales.



If we assume Bavaria is on Austrian level, then Bavaria lighter in hair colour. In eye colour Wales could be slightly lighter but not by much. Virchow found 66% light eyes in Bavaria, TNH found 68% light eyes in Wales.

Can assume modern Bavaria is probably significantly above Austrian level, given in 1950 alone around 25% of Bavarians were post-WW2 refugees/expellees, most from Silesia, Posen and Czechia but still some from much lighter areas like Pomerania and Prussia. That also isn't counting later, GDR immigration from East Germany, etc.



Germany probably has much less regional differences today than it did when Virchow did his study. Half of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern for example is pretty much a completely different population than it was, as over 50% of people were refugees/expellees in 1950. The Black Forest in Baden retains the most of the original South Germans most likely.

[Davystayn]

The darkest end of the paleo atlantid Welsh type you get people like Kelly Jones from Stereophonics.

On the other hand you get dark Alpine types like Jens Spahn, the German Health minister, who doesn't pass very easily in Wales at all, too central European looking.

[Supercomputer]

Can assume modern Bavaria is probably significantly above Austrian level, given in 1950 alone around 25% of Bavarians were post-WW2 refugees/expellees, most from Silesia, Posen and Czechia but still some from much lighter areas like Pomerania and Prussia. That also isn't counting later, GDR immigration from East Germany, etc.



Germany probably has much less regional differences today than it did when Virchow did his study. Half of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern for example is pretty much a completely different population than it was, as over 50% of people were refugees/expellees in 1950. The Black Forest in Baden retains the most of the original South Germans most likely.

Some modern data on German hair colour:



I think this is self reported, but still

[Septentrion]

Austria has a higher share of light hair than Wales.



If we assume Bavaria is on Austrian level, then Bavaria lighter in hair colour. In eye colour Wales could be slightly lighter but not by much. Virchow found 66% light eyes in Bavaria, TNH found 68% light eyes in Wales.

Who is this TNH? We cannot rely on an unprofessional map! Since when was Belgium lighter - haired than Ireland or Wales? In Wales as many as 45% have blue eyes? For Belgium it is 28.9% for blue eyes. How can this be comparable to Bavaria which is in Southern Germany. This map is based on pure bias (with the Assumption that Germans are supposed to be blonder than anyone else. They are not!).

[Septentrion]

Some modern data on German hair colour:



I think this is self reported, but still

Do you know which university or school posted this survey?

[Septentrion]

Blue eyes only %:
Denmark - 50.9%
Norway and Sweden - 50%
Wales - 45%
Germany - 30.31%
Belgium - 28.9%
Switzerland - 28%
France - 20.2%
Spain - 11.75%
Italy - 10.3%