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    Quote Originally Posted by Thambi View Post
    yeah thats true original dalits probably had SLIGHT euro, maybe 2-3%. dalits from northern india get some euro traces, but the thing is virtually all modern gypsies are mixed with euros/west asians. these are closer to purer gypsies actually. someone like mortimer who's about a 1/3 euro gets 12-13% South indian on harappa. he's actually an admixed gypsy while pure balkan gypsies get closer to 20% in south indian/south asian.

    I think doms in the middle east get around 26-27% but i havent seen any balkan gypsies score more than 21% so far. Doms seem to score similar to haryanvi jatts/sindhis in terms of ASI.

    Iraqi Gypsy

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 26.91
    2 Baloch 26.02
    3 Caucasian 20.9
    4 SW-Asian 8.66
    5 Mediterranean 4.18
    6 W-African 3.97
    7 NE-Euro 3.92
    8 E-African 1.35
    9 Siberian 1.14
    10 American 1.07
    11 SE-Asian 0.72
    12 Pygmy 0.68
    13 Beringian 0.42
    14 Papuan 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bene-israel-jew (behar) 8.86
    2 pashtun (harappa) 14.31
    3 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 14.39
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 15.57
    5 up-muslim (harappa) 16.23
    6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 16.73
    7 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 16.85
    8 sindhi (harappa) 17.47
    9 punjabi (harappa) 18.3
    10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 18.45
    11 pathan (hgdp) 18.61
    12 romanian-b (behar) 19.32
    13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 19.45
    14 cochin-jew (behar) 19.57
    15 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 20.32
    16 kalash (hgdp) 20.42
    17 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 20.63
    18 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 20.7
    19 burusho (hgdp) 21.04
    20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 21.09

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 59.2% meghawal (reich) + 40.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.09
    2 51.1% iranian (behar) + 48.9% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 4.21
    3 59.6% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 40.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.27
    4 58.2% gujarati (harappa) + 41.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.29
    5 59.6% maharashtrian (harappa) + 40.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.29
    6 57.7% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) + 42.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.35
    7 58.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 41.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.36
    8 58.9% meghawal (reich) + 41.1% lebanese (behar) @ 4.37
    9 51.4% iranian (behar) + 48.6% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 4.37
    10 58% iyer-brahmin (harappa) + 42% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.39
    11 58.7% tn-brahmin (xing) + 41.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.4
    12 57.3% ap-brahmin (xing) + 42.7% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.4
    13 58.5% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 41.5% lebanese (behar) @ 4.4
    14 58.5% maharashtrian (harappa) + 41.5% syrian (behar) @ 4.41
    15 59.3% maharashtrian (harappa) + 40.7% lebanese (behar) @ 4.42
    16 58.1% meghawal (reich) + 41.9% syrian (behar) @ 4.44
    17 58.4% tn-brahmin (xing) + 41.6% lebanese (behar) @ 4.44
    18 51.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 48.9% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.47
    19 58.8% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 41.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.47
    20 57.6% tn-brahmin (xing) + 42.4% syrian (behar) @ 4.5
    Don't know who posted it , but I think I've seen some Balkan gypsies score more than 23% . I think it was Mortimer that posted it a while back . Nonetheless, their ASI ancestry is very much recent and real . But then again, so is their European ancestry .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thambi View Post
    yeah thats true original dalits probably had SLIGHT euro, maybe 2-3%. dalits from northern india get some euro traces, but the thing is virtually all modern gypsies are mixed with euros/west asians. these are closer to purer gypsies actually. someone like mortimer who's about a 1/3 euro gets 12-13% South indian on harappa. he's actually an admixed gypsy while pure balkan gypsies get closer to 20% in south indian/south asian.

    I think doms in the middle east get around 26-27% but i havent seen any balkan gypsies score more than 21% so far. Doms seem to score similar to haryanvi jatts/sindhis in terms of ASI.

    Iraqi Gypsy

    # Population Percent
    1 S-Indian 26.91
    2 Baloch 26.02
    3 Caucasian 20.9
    4 SW-Asian 8.66
    5 Mediterranean 4.18
    6 W-African 3.97
    7 NE-Euro 3.92
    8 E-African 1.35
    9 Siberian 1.14
    10 American 1.07
    11 SE-Asian 0.72
    12 Pygmy 0.68
    13 Beringian 0.42
    14 Papuan 0.06

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 bene-israel-jew (behar) 8.86
    2 pashtun (harappa) 14.31
    3 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 14.39
    4 kashmiri (harappa) 15.57
    5 up-muslim (harappa) 16.23
    6 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 16.73
    7 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 16.85
    8 sindhi (harappa) 17.47
    9 punjabi (harappa) 18.3
    10 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 18.45
    11 pathan (hgdp) 18.61
    12 romanian-b (behar) 19.32
    13 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 19.45
    14 cochin-jew (behar) 19.57
    15 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 20.32
    16 kalash (hgdp) 20.42
    17 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 20.63
    18 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 20.7
    19 burusho (hgdp) 21.04
    20 haryana-jatt (harappa) 21.09

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 59.2% meghawal (reich) + 40.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.09
    2 51.1% iranian (behar) + 48.9% sri-lankan (harappa) @ 4.21
    3 59.6% karnataka-brahmin (harappa) + 40.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.27
    4 58.2% gujarati (harappa) + 41.8% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.29
    5 59.6% maharashtrian (harappa) + 40.4% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.29
    6 57.7% iyengar-brahmin (harappa) + 42.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.35
    7 58.8% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 41.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.36
    8 58.9% meghawal (reich) + 41.1% lebanese (behar) @ 4.37
    9 51.4% iranian (behar) + 48.6% caribbean-indian (harappa) @ 4.37
    10 58% iyer-brahmin (harappa) + 42% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.39
    11 58.7% tn-brahmin (xing) + 41.3% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.4
    12 57.3% ap-brahmin (xing) + 42.7% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.4
    13 58.5% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 41.5% lebanese (behar) @ 4.4
    14 58.5% maharashtrian (harappa) + 41.5% syrian (behar) @ 4.41
    15 59.3% maharashtrian (harappa) + 40.7% lebanese (behar) @ 4.42
    16 58.1% meghawal (reich) + 41.9% syrian (behar) @ 4.44
    17 58.4% tn-brahmin (xing) + 41.6% lebanese (behar) @ 4.44
    18 51.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 48.9% iraqi-arab (harappa) @ 4.47
    19 58.8% brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) + 41.2% lebanese-muslim (haber) @ 4.47
    20 57.6% tn-brahmin (xing) + 42.4% syrian (behar) @ 4.5
    Don't know who posted it , but I think I've seen some Balkan gypsies score more than 23% . I think it was Mortimer that posted it a while back . Nonetheless, their ASI ancestry is very much recent and real . But then again, so is their European ancestry .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Before Dravidians moved into India (probably from W Asia & Levant around 30k to 12k ybp) the early Afro-people were like this

    ASSI had straight/Wavy hair, not kinky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Is there any Gypsy who has as much African heritage as these people? I bet you can't find even one or two.
    African? They are East Eurasians. Closer to East Asians if anything, than to Africans or W. Eurasian populations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    African? They are East Eurasians. Closer to East Asians if anything, than to Africans or W. Eurasian populations.
    those people are earliest split from Africa and further expanded into East later. The East asians negritos are more drifted versions of these people. The proper east asians split some time early & evolved out of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Abominacion View Post
    Unrelated to the OP but some of the arguments on this thread are missing the bigger picture.

    Gypsy culture and ancestry snowballed off that of Dalits, in the sense that they originated as Indian Dalits and during their migration to Europe collected other ancestries along the way. Their way of life, racial origins, culture and customs directly stems from Dalits, and their language also has Indian origins with a particular affinity to Punjabi and also Hindi.




    (The man in this video also states that he's mistaken for being one of them whenever he visits a gypsy settlement, I wonder why him and not the Europeans....)

    Even today, like the Dalits do Gypsies will make their money by collecting discarded items on the street and begging no matter where they are. It's literally just a shared cultural trait, and with all of the above in mind one can safely say they've got far more cultural affinity to low caste South Asians than Europeans regardless of what they are autosomally.
    No they do not there is various tribes and groups of Gypsies today and alot of them don't do this kind of thing but occupy themselves
    with other things.

    Its only the lowest of the lowest or to say it better the poorest of them who do this

    Its also a myth that all Gypsies are very poor or have no succes in life and live on welfare there is Gypsies
    who are quite wealthy and by their dressing and style you would be never able to guess them as Gypsies only by their phenotype
    traits perhaps
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    Today we see a lot them have self-denial issues like Morti's mom and would much rather be some other ethnicity, but that didn't use to be the case. So, when it happened that they mixed with other ethnicties, the children born with darker skin would have been held in higher regard because they looked like one of their own. Basically, a process of natural selection for darker traits because those have been the Gypsy 'trademark' from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauromachos View Post
    No they do not there is various tribes and groups of Gypsies today and alot of them don't do this kind of thing but occupy themselves
    with other things.

    Its only the lowest of the lowest or to say it better the poorest of them who do this

    Its also a myth that all Gypsies are very poor or have no succes in life and live on welfare there is Gypsies
    who are quite wealthy and by their dressing and style you would be never able to guess them as Gypsies only by their phenotype
    traits perhaps
    In Romania wealthy Gypsies seem to be criminals and manele singers. The criminals made their money from organized crime like beggar networks, prostitution, stealing, drugs etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tauromachos View Post
    No they do not there is various tribes and groups of Gypsies today and alot of them don't do this kind of thing but occupy themselves
    with other things.

    Its only the lowest of the lowest or to say it better the poorest of them who do this

    Its also a myth that all Gypsies are very poor or have no succes in life and live on welfare there is Gypsies
    who are quite wealthy and by their dressing and style you would be never able to guess them as Gypsies only by their phenotype
    traits perhaps
    Yes they absolutely do. They’ve been recycling discarded items for centuries and even here in the UK you will often see them doing this along the streets. Their culture is inherently anti work and anti assimilation, what other things could they be doing aside from this and begging (which they're universally known for)? They forbid their children from going to school (despite even legal obligations) and those who seek employment are looked down on.

    The richest gypsies are literally just the pimps, the money funnelled through begging gangs and other methods of organised crimes ends up at the heads of their hierarchy and best believe they’re stinking rich, they’re living a lifestyle of luxury as a result of crime. As for the rest, the heavy majority, their culture involves frivolous display of wealth to amass a higher social status, the poorest of the poor will wear gold chains and other jewellery if they have the means of obtaining it for status amongst other gypsies.
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