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    In a nutshell the roots of present-day Finns, where they came from. Some details

    - Baltic Finns moved to Southwestern Finland from Northern Estonia. Men belonged to a North Baltic N1c1-branch (L1022).

    - proto-Germanic speakers shifted their language to the Baltic-Finnic between 300-600 AD.

    - I1-based population, the heirs of the proto-Germanic speakers, moved from the seaside to Northern Tavastia in the beginning of the Viking Age. The reason was that the seasides of Satakunta are open without protecting islands and robbering Vikings were a continuous nuisance. It was easier to move away. In the Southwest there was a large archipelago and "proto Finns" had a beacon system that warned about Vikings.

    - after moving to Tavastia I1-men continued to the Ladogan where they mixed with local Finno Ugric people, whose men belonged to the branch N1c1-"Karelia". So it looks likely that those I1-men brought Baltic Finnic language to Karelia.

    - after the third Swedish crusade around 400-600 Karelian families stayed on the Swedish side of the boundary, the rest on the Muscovite side, and those on the Swedish side moved around 1500 AD northwards following the king's (Gustav Vasa) order and formed the Savolaxian tribe after mixing with local Saamis, who were called at that time Laplanders (lappalaiset) and belonged to the ydna N1c1-"Savo".

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    It seemed to me that the Finns moved from the lands of Novgorod and Ladoga under the pressure of the Slavs who arrived from Bohemia. This is the VIII-IX century.

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    Quinotars/Iku-Turso figured before was not a random find, here two more:

    From Southwest Finland, Kaarina



    and from Ostrobothnia Vöyri



    Then a mystical theme, which recurs in Finland, a snake, in this case with dual heads from Satakunta Eura:



    You can see similarity with the well-known Sutton Hoo shield figure:



    There is also an interesting question of a figure of bird of prey, later.

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    In principle a similar pre-Viking Age snake motif from Norway


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    Surprise! Sutton Hoo, with several similarities with Finnish archaeological finds, is thought to be a Saxon grave, but probably it is not and is actually Frankish, because all coins found in the grave were Frankish! This could explain Quinotars/Iku-Turso motifs there. Spot on for many things, many still without mention.

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    Here is an Ostrobothnian find figuring a birth of prey, obviously another Frankish motif. I don't know its name. A similar motif exists again in Sutton Hoo's Frankish ship burial.

    In Finland a modified Quinotar sword pommel and a bird of prey:



    The Sutton Hoo bird :

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    A Viking Age sword, one among hundreds, but with text "AMEN". Some kind of black humor or Christianity in Tavastia before Scandinavia?



    But don't hurry. Another Viking age sword of I1-men with a text "DEUS MEUS" - "MY GOD". The word "MEVS" on the other side of the blade. Christian symbols started to show up in the 7th century soon after inhumation substituted cremation (cremation stylish Tarand burial) in SW-Finland. Many bloggers write proudly about Tarand graves today, although in biggest Finnish IA grave yards people were inhumated without burning. People simply don't know.




    Why only pictures? Because thousands IA objects are stored in the basement of Finnish National Museum and were documented last time 50-100 years ago. In old studies researchers preferred pictures revealing smallest details. Why then no one is interested in this old stuff? Because today young researchers are mad of yhe assumed Siberian origin and this stuff doesn't serve them. The last objective Finnish researcher died 2019 at age 91.

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    We can assume that forementioned swords were crusade weapons, which they definitely were. But it is hard to believe that a Viking Age sword with text "MY GOD" suddenly appeared in backwoods around 300 km from the nearest inhabited seaside. Much more likely it would have been found from a supposed pagan seaside.

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    While present-day "Tarand enthusiasts" forget to mention that Tarand cremation was only a minor custom in Finland, they also forget to mention that it was not a common custom either in Karelia, still insisting that Tarand graves prove Volga-Baltic Finnic connection.
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