Chaotic liberalism is just the answer to Europe's Balkanized past

[Faklon]

This is a follow-up to Peterski's thread where he proposed scumbag Barbara Spectre as his new leader instead of Germanic racists despite being a patriot/nationalist.

I've figured that Europeans resort to liberarism as an answer to their past affairs. Europe used to be a war zone until 80 years ago and this is why multiculturalism appeals so much to the subjects of the romantic chaotic concept called the EU. Multiculturalism in Europe primarily means accepting other Europeans of different cultures with whom your grandfathers used to fight 80 years ago and as a consequence Europeans turn to liberarism, you cannot be an EU patriot without being a liberal since proper integration never existed in Europe.

I may take it a step further and say that true European Unions are found in the new world where there is a set concept (praying to Uncle Sam) and they share traits like going to church, farming potatoes and owing a dog instead of a camel.

[Konstantinos]

This is a follow-up to Peterski's thread where he proposed scumbag Barbara Spectre as his new leader instead of Germanic racists despite being a patriot/nationalist.

I've figured that Europeans resort to liberarism as an answer to their past affairs. Europe used to be a war zone until 80 years ago and this is why multiculturalism appeals so much to the subjects of the romantic chaotic concept called the EU. Multiculturalism in Europe primarily means accepting other Europeans of different cultures with whom your grandfathers used to fight 80 years ago and as a consequence Europeans turn to liberarism, you cannot be an EU patriot without being a liberal since proper integration never existed in Europe.

I may take it a step further and say that true European Unions are found in the new world where there is a set concept (praying to Uncle Sam) and they share traits like going to church, farming potatoes and owing a dog instead of a camel.

I don't get what you're saying here.

[Faklon]

I don't get what you're saying here.

Europeans promote multiculturarism and liberarism because it's the only way they can accept each other. For most of their history they have been fighting other Europeans, promoting national pride among Europeans would prompt them to hate each other. That's why they resort to liberarism and the romanticism of the EU.

[Konstantinos]

Europeans promote multiculturarism and liberarism because it's the only way they can accept each other. For most of their history they have been fighting other Europeans, promoting national pride among Europeans would prompt them to hate each other. That's why they resort to liberarism and the romanticism of the EU.

Europeans promote liberalism because of money. In a modern world with our technology you can have a global market for your products. Wars and fighting would hinder that in multiple ways.

Another aspect is nihilism. The idea that there's only one life where good and evil don't exist/don't matter spreads the seed of commercialization. Since your spirit has no meaning, you better make do of your time with buying new stuff until you get bored of them and buy some more.

[Faklon]

Europeans promote liberalism because of money. In a modern world with our technology you can have a global market for your products. Wars and fighting would hinder that in multiple ways.

Maybe back in the 90s, they lose from welfare checks now.

Another aspect is nihilism. The idea that there's only one life where good and evil don't exist/don't matter spreads the seed of commercialization. Since your spirit has no meaning, you better make do of your time with buying new stuff until you get bored of them and buy some more.

Nihilism is just a result of the romantic EU I'm talking about.

[Konstantinos]

Maybe back in the 90s, they lose from welfare checks now.



Nihilism is just a result of the romantic EU I'm talking about.

It was a mistake joining the EU in the first place, now I'm not sure we can survive leaving it. Maybe in a few years.

Either way what I'm optimistic about is this neo-liberal stuff will not affect Greece in a substantial way. Mentality of Greeks and Westerners is way different and I believe it'll stay that way till Westerners return back to normality.

[Faklon]

It was a mistake joining the EU in the first place, now I'm not sure we can survive leaving it. Maybe in a few years.

Either way what I'm optimistic about is this neo-liberal stuff will not affect Greece in a substantial way. Mentality of Greeks and Westerners is way different and I believe it'll stay that way till Westerners return back to normality.

Exactly what I'm talking about. You think of yourself as different (which is true to a great extend) and it's not only Greece but most EU countries that think this way, we/they can only coexist as liberal nihilists.

[The Lawspeaker]

I agree. Even for us Westerners, it simply isn't manageable to stay in the EU as it comes at the expense of both our economy but also our culture, our history and even our sanity. Dutch, for instance, have more in common, mentally speaking, with the British, the Germans and Scandinavians than we do with Southern Europe and we ought to drop this "liberalism" and return to who we are: who we were before WWII.

[de Burgh II]

Isn't it inevitable though? We live in a globalized economy now that fights for supremacy over one another for elite dominance that is intrinsic to human nature. Hence, alliances have to be made and pushed in order to survive even if it means compromising a person's values and cultural differences.

[Konstantinos]

Exactly what I'm talking about. You think of yourself as different (which is true to a great extend) and it's not only Greece but most EU countries that think this way, we/they can only coexist as liberal nihilists.

I'm not interested in coexisting with most EU countries personally(I hope you too), most Greeks think that too(for different reasons mostly though). Don't you think this type of thinking will never affect Greece in a significant way(Italy too for example)? Of course everyone thinks themselves as unique, but in this case I truly believe that kind of thing is alien to us.