Question to the Macedonian members

[Renekton]

Your ancestors were Patriarchists or Exarchists?

Mine as far as I know they were Patriarchists, only some for my fathers side joined in Exarchists.

Please discuss, thank you.

[Crn Volk]

My father's village was Patriarchist, however my paternal grandmother was from Exarchist village. My mother's side were Exarchist. All from Bitolska okolija.

[PAGANE]

And what was the reason for some of your ancestors to remain patriarchs, and another part to go to the Bulgarian Exarchate?
One more question.
To all Macedonians professing the Macedonian ideology and claiming that there was a Macedonian different from the Bulgarians.
In the conditions of the Ottoman Empire, the Bulgarians managed to win their exarchate, which is an official recognition of the existence of such a people in the empire. Why did the "Macedonians" in the Ottoman Empire not win their own exarchate, given that they were all on equal terms. Why didn't they remain patriarchs or join the Serbian church, which until 1879 was in the diocese of the Constantinople Patriarchate, and then became autocephalous - you all claim that the Serbian language is close to you and you have nothing to do with the Bulgarian language and the Bulgarians. This would be a clear sign that your ancestors are not recognized as Bulgarians, but as another people.

[Renekton]

And what was the reason for some of your ancestors to remain patriarchs, and another part to go to the Bulgarian Exarchate?
One more question.
To all Macedonians professing the Macedonian ideology and claiming that there was a Macedonian different from the Bulgarians.
In the conditions of the Ottoman Empire, the Bulgarians managed to win their exarchate, which is an official recognition of the existence of such a people in the empire. Why did the "Macedonians" in the Ottoman Empire not win their own exarchate, given that they were all on equal terms. Why didn't they remain patriarchs or join the Serbian church, which until 1879 was in the diocese of the Constantinople Patriarchate, and then became autocephalous - you all claim that the Serbian language is close to you and you have nothing to do with the Bulgarian language and the Bulgarians. This would be a clear sign that your ancestors are not recognized as Bulgarians, but as another people.

My ancestors remained loyal to Ecumenical Patriarch, they viewed Exarchism as Schism to the Church. Also the Church forbids nationalism inside her.

My ancestors declared themselves as Macedonian Orthodoxes,not Serbs, not Greeks, not Bulgarians.

[Crn Volk]

And what was the reason for some of your ancestors to remain patriarchs, and another part to go to the Bulgarian Exarchate?
One more question.
To all Macedonians professing the Macedonian ideology and claiming that there was a Macedonian different from the Bulgarians.
In the conditions of the Ottoman Empire, the Bulgarians managed to win their exarchate, which is an official recognition of the existence of such a people in the empire. Why did the "Macedonians" in the Ottoman Empire not win their own exarchate, given that they were all on equal terms. Why didn't they remain patriarchs or join the Serbian church, which until 1879 was in the diocese of the Constantinople Patriarchate, and then became autocephalous - you all claim that the Serbian language is close to you and you have nothing to do with the Bulgarian language and the Bulgarians. This would be a clear sign that your ancestors are not recognized as Bulgarians, but as another people.

We tried to resurrect the Ohrid Archbishopric

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Trans...hite_Dionysius

Alas, we had to wait til after WW2 for its restoration. The battle for recognition is ongoing

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Crn Volk; 6727191] Опитахме се да възкресим Охридската архиепископия

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Trans...hite_Dionysius

Уви, трябваше да изчакаме след Втората световна война за нейното възстановяване. Битката за признание е в ход [/ QUOTE]

In fact, the Ohrid Archbishopric is the name of the Bulgarian autocephalous Orthodox Church subordinated to the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople in the Bulgarian lands conquered by Byzantium in 1018, the successor of the downgraded Bulgarian Patriarchate. The shroud donated by Emperor Andronicus II Palaeologus to the head of the Ohrid Aphthocephalous Archbishopric for use in the Church of St. Sophia (Ohrid) is known. The inscription is embroidered on the imperial gift:
"Shepherd of the Bulgarians, remember the sacrifices for the ruler Andronicus Palaeologus"
To restore the Ohrid Archbishopric, in fact, means recognition of belonging to the Bulgarian people This does not correspond to the Macedonian ideology.

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Hahns; 6727185] Моите предци останаха лоялни към Вселенския патриарх, те разглеждаха екзархизма като схизъм към църквата. Също така Църквата забранява национализма вътре в нея.

Моите предци са се обявявали за македонски православни, а не сърби, не гърци, не българи. [/ ЦИТО]

But Macedonian Orthodox is not an ethnicity. This is equivalent to the Ottoman term milet, rummilet

[catgeorge]

The New Testament and Constantinople is at spiritual odds with "macedonian" orthodox church due to the fact Macedonia and Thessalonians is an important part of the New Testament. These poor confused people have no idea what is happening around them.

[Renekton]

[QUOTE = Hahns; 6727185] Моите предци останаха лоялни към Вселенския патриарх, те разглеждаха екзархизма като схизъм към църквата. Също така Църквата забранява национализма вътре в нея.

Моите предци са се обявявали за македонски православни, а не сърби, не гърци, не българи. [/ ЦИТО]

But Macedonian Orthodox is not an ethnicity. This is equivalent to the Ottoman term milet, rummilet

Macedonian ethnicity formed in the late 19th century by Slavs in Ottoman Macedonia back then

[-Invictus-]

Macedonian ethnicity formed in the late 19th century by Slavs in Ottoman Macedonia back then

True. I'll just edit one word to add detail to it - *was formed in the late 19th century by Serbomans in Ottoman Macedonia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbia...oman_Macedonia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associ...bo-Macedonians

"The Association of Serbo-Macedonians (Serbian: Друштво Србо-Македонци / Društvo Srbo-Makedonci) was a group founded by intellectuals from the region of Macedonia in 1886, and based in Istanbul, Ottoman Empire.[1] The association propagated a kind of pro-Serbian Slav Macedonian identity, distinguished especially from the ethnic identity of the Bulgarians.[2]"