The truth about NA admixture in Iberia

[Nassbean]

LOL Alawite history is all about having black female concubines.

true but that was centuries ago I'm not aware of any recent haratin princess

[JQP4545]

If NA admixture came with the Moors then why is it highest in Galicia, a region which they never controlled?

[SharpFork]

proportion of berber haplogroups :



based on this study : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4524485/

Regardless of what this study says those aren't Berber haplogroups, more like haplogroups with deep origins that Berbers have a lot, the increase presence in Iberia is of obvious origin but but the presence north of the Mediterranean is obviously mediated through other populations.

[SharpFork]

If NA admixture came with the Moors then why is it highest in Galicia, a region which they never controlled?

Nobody is saying ALL of the admiture came with the moors, regardless there were internal resettlement of new Christians within late medieval and early modern Spain:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebell...68%E2%80%9371)

And Nassbean can also point out some examples of Roman era and I believe also Islamic era berber communities that remained and were assimilated around Northern Spain.

Let me flip the question, if NA admixture is not of recent(meaning post-Bronze Age) origin, why is there so little evidence for it in Neolithic, Copper age and Bronze age samples outside the south?

[Luso]

yeah... those charts are off. At least for Portugal.

This is better:




The one with the least samples gives an average of 12%, the median gives an average of 7% and the one with the most samples averages 6%. And in both research, the result is the same: the more trials, the lower the haplogroup's percentage. Portugal's rate is about 5%-6%

[Nassbean]

yeah... those charts are off. At least for Portugal.

This is better:




The one with the least samples gives an average of 12%, the median gives an average of 7% and the one with the most samples averages 6%. And in both research, the result is the same: the more trials, the lower the haplogroup's percentage. Portugal's rate is about 5%-6%

that's false. Based on more than 1000 samples the average for Portugal is 14% :



https://eupedia.com/genetics/spain_p...html#frequency

[Nassbean]

Regardless of what this study says those aren't Berber haplogroups, more like haplogroups with deep origins that Berbers have a lot, the increase presence in Iberia is of obvious origin but but the presence north of the Mediterranean is obviously mediated through other populations.

sure sure such differences can only be explained by e1b1b jews and italians it has nothing to do with where moors settled ...

[yamagi]

No offence, but you're just doing this too often, it's getting boring

[Nassbean]

If NA admixture came with the Moors then why is it highest in Galicia, a region which they never controlled?

You simply didn't read what I posted. There is already an answer in the first quote I posted.

[Nassbean]

No offence, but you're just doing this too often, it's getting boring

it's boring then why do you care so much ? As far as I know it doesn't concerns you