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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Your IQ must be lower than 93, that is for sure. Portugal is the only Southern European nation that is above OECD average in all fields (math, reading and science). We are even above countries such as Norway, Austria, Netherlands or Switzerland in certain fields like reading and science.
    Lynn's methods are suspect. I stopped taking him seriously when he claimed Nepal had an IQ of 43. This is a country whose people terrace farm, build permanent structures, care for animals, etc. Such a country cannot have a people whose IQ is only 43. That's ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas View Post
    Your IQ must be lower than 93, that is for sure. Portugal is the only Southern European nation that is above OECD average in all fields (math, reading and science). We are even above countries such as Norway, Austria, Netherlands or Switzerland in certain fields like reading and science.
    Portugal has far less immigrants/immigrant descendants, this really shouldn't be needed to be pointed out in 2020, just look at 2003 scores compared to 2018, and why are you referring only one year(2018) anyway? Most PISA years have completely different student coverage %s, if you're gunna use PISA for anything you should atleast take an average of all the years. The Netherlands and Switzerland specifically had their worst PISA result scores ever, every other time they were on top or near the top sans East Asians/Finns.

    OP is wrong anyway, Poland does not have a higher GDP per capita than Portugal, when will you people stop using the literally useless PPP? Nominal is the only way to measure the actual success of a country's economy on an international level, if you want to know why Portugal has less PPP per capita it's because they pay more for the same things. Poland has a nominal GDP of around 15k, Portugal has around 23k, around and on par with countries like Estonia, Czechia, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia. Poland will probably eventually surpass them but it'll be awhile yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChildofMud View Post
    Lynn's methods are suspect. I stopped taking him seriously when he claimed Nepal had an IQ of 43. This is a country whose people terrace farm, build permanent structures, care for animals, etc. Such a country cannot have a people whose IQ is only 43. That's ridiculous.
    That's lower than some lab bottlenose dolphin and chimp/ape subjects like koko

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    1) Iberian Union was really terrible for portuguese treasure, Spain spent and waste most of it on aleatory spanish wars with every country in Europe.

    2) Then, the country capital's and other coastal cities were completely destroyed in the strongest earthquake Europe ever recorded. This was the main contribution to ruined portuguese finances and with so many debts the country was finally under complete control under portuguese banks.

    After the earthquake, Portugal started pressionate the Brazilian Colony to give more gold to built Lisbon again, this totally changed the politics here and the white colonials that feel themselves as cientizens of the Portugal started to see themselves as Brazilians and many session moviments started. Thats more or less what the schools teach here.

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    It is an outliner for western europe but still similar to eastern europe in terms of salary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maintenance View Post
    It is an outliner for western europe but still similar to eastern europe in terms of salary.

    Romania average wage 1400 and Portugal 1500?lol Why are there Romanian immigrants in Portugal and all over Europe doing the shittiest and worst paid jobs mostly then? This map is crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Romania average wage 1400 and Portugal 1500?lol Why are there Romanian immigrants in Portugal and all over Europe doing the shittiest and worst paid jobs mostly then? This map is crap.
    Majority go to other countries, i doubt there is big number of Romanians in portugal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maintenance View Post
    Majority go to other countries, i doubt there is big number of Romanians in portugal.
    Maybe, but even though I can't tell you right now what average monthly wage in Romania is, I am still pretty sure it's less than 1400 and substantially so. Romania is definitely poorer than Portugal and it's not even close.

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    https://insse.ro/cms/ro/content/c%C3...mediu-lunar-63 https://www.google.com/search?client...+lei+in+dolari Apparently it's 3189 lei net monthly wage and in dollars it's 739.84. https://www.google.com/search?client...lei+in+dollars Only the gross average monthly wage barely reaches 1,212.05 dollars, but your map is about net average monthly wages and it's still less. The data is from the Romanian National Institute of Statistics btw.
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    Anyway these stats don't even tell the whole story economically and socially. A very large part of Romanians live on much smaller salaries or other type of incomes like pensions. Romania is a poor country and for sure much poorer than Portugal. An interesting comparison would be minimum wage in Portugal and Romania.

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