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    I think it's just really that Portugal has a good balance, they don't have a lot of natural resources but they don't have a lot of people. Expanding wealth in a tiny population is just unnecessary imo. Here we need billionaires and we need industrialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Expanding wealth in a tiny population is just unnecessary imo. Here we need billionaires and we need industrialism.
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    Lynn's methods are suspect. I stopped taking him seriously when he claimed Nepal had an IQ of 43. This is a country whose people terrace farm, build permanent structures, care for animals, etc. Such a country cannot have a people whose IQ is only 43. That's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Synapsid View Post
    That's lower than some lab bottlenose dolphin and chimp/ape subjects like koko
    A lot lower. Her IQ level is said to be between 75 to 95:
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    you're comparing a population of 38-39 million (Poland) to 10 million (Portugal). Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Romania average wage 1400 and Portugal 1500?lol Why are there Romanian immigrants in Portugal and all over Europe doing the shittiest and worst paid jobs mostly then? This map is crap.
    It's because people don't even read what they post. That map is net wage adjusted by purchasing power, aka prices of goods in that region, among other factors. It has nothing to do with how much money people actually make, it factors in how much they can afford in their own country.

    Again, all any of that means is stuff is much more expensive in Portugal than in SE Europe due to various reasons, it does not mean Portugal has as much cashiers or low wage workers.

    This is actual average wages, only adjusted by currency value/inflation, in Euros:



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...y_average_wage

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenophobicPrussian View Post
    Portugal has far less immigrants/immigrant descendants, this really shouldn't be needed to be pointed out in 2020, just look at 2003 scores compared to 2018, and why are you referring only one year(2018) anyway? Most PISA years have completely different student coverage %s, if you're gunna use PISA for anything you should atleast take an average of all the years. The Netherlands and Switzerland specifically had their worst PISA result scores ever, every other time they were on top or near the top sans East Asians/Finns.

    OP is wrong anyway, Poland does not have a higher GDP per capita than Portugal, when will you people stop using the literally useless PPP? Nominal is the only way to measure the actual success of a country's economy on an international level, if you want to know why Portugal has less PPP per capita it's because they pay more for the same things. Poland has a nominal GDP of around 15k, Portugal has around 23k, around and on par with countries like Estonia, Czechia, Taiwan, Saudi Arabia. Poland will probably eventually surpass them but it'll be awhile yet.
    I doubt that Portugal has far less immigrants/immigrant descendants when compared to others. You did not even include Portugal in your pigmentation study due to the lack of native players in our league, that should indicate something.

    Where am I referring to only one year? If you check the data from 2015 you will see that we were as well the only nation from Southern Europe that was above the OECD average in all fields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ixulescu View Post
    Because Portugal is relatively isolated and rather far from the economic core of Europe. Much like Eastern Europe.

    Portugal is also very rural compared to other Western countries (35% rural).
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maintenance View Post
    Majority go to other countries, i doubt there is big number of Romanians in portugal.
    It's one of our biggest foreign communities, probably only behind Cape Verdeans and Brazilians. They can live anywhere in Portugal, not just in Lisbon suburbia. Also you have to take into account the cost of living here, which is not very high, also Romania didn't adopt yet the Euro which might be prejudicial when it comes to inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheForeigner View Post
    Maybe, but even though I can't tell you right now what average monthly wage in Romania is, I am still pretty sure it's less than 1400 and substantially so. Romania is definitely poorer than Portugal and it's not even close.

    In some countries ''average'' tells much less than in some others.

    The countries which are pretty equal (no extremely rich people but no extremely poor people either ... no huge gap between those) ... it will (like in Finland). But what I have understand, that is not the same in many other European countries.

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