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    Default Why do Kogi, Arhuaco, Wiwa, etc. have higher rates of curly o wavy hair than other Native Americans?

    From pics and videos I saw of them, many of them seem to have wavy or curly hair unlike most Amerindians who possessed very straight hair.

    What could be the reasons for that? SSA admixture? Although they look very pure Native to me
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    It is not SSA contribution, it is australoid contribution.

    The australoid contribution of the Amerindians came from the migrations that came from Southeast Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenamastli View Post
    It is not SSA contribution, it is australoid contribution.

    The australoid contribution of the Amerindians came from the migrations that came from Southeast Asia.
    They are of Chibchan origin, did you know Chibchan peoples tend to cluster not too far away from Mayan peoples, I doubt either of these groups trace their origins back to Melanesia. Chibchans are more Northerly-shifted.

    And, some of these are in fact SSA-admixed, at least Arhuacos are.

    I've seen vids of Mexicans whose origins are 100% NA and they have wavy hair, too. See for yourself.


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    Quote Originally Posted by samario View Post
    They are of Chibchan origin, did you know Chibchan peoples tend to cluster not too far away from Mayan peoples, I doubt either of these groups trace their origins back to Melanesia. Chibchans are more Northerly-shifted.

    And, some of these are in fact SSA-admixed, at least Arhuacos are.

    I've seen vids of Mexicans whose origins are 100% NA and they have wavy hair, too. See for yourself.

    La mayoría de los pueblos amerindios tienen aporte australoide en diferentes porcentajes, incluyendo mayas y chibchas. No es algo para sentir vergüenza: es hacer honor al componente amerindio.

    Los ancestros de los amerindios no solamente provinieron del Centro de Asia y Siberia, sino también del Sudeste de Asia y La Polinesia, trayendo consigo el aporte australoide. Hay pruebas antropologicas y arqueologicas que señalan estas migraciones al Centro y Sur de América, y ya es hora de que se conscientice.

    Las pruebas geneticas no distinguen los componentes amerindios, toda la mezcla que tiene la engloban como "Native American" (como si todos los amerindios fueran iguales, cuando son muy diversos). Solamente hacen distinción cuando hay un aporte relativamente reciente.

    Esa mujer del vídeo tiene aporte australoide en su "Native American".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenamastli View Post
    La mayoría de los pueblos amerindios tienen aporte australoide en diferentes porcentajes, incluyendo mayas y chibchas. No es algo para sentir vergüenza: es hacer honor al componente amerindio.

    Los ancestros de los amerindios no solamente provinieron del Centro de Asia y Siberia, sino también del Sudeste de Asia y La Polinesia, trayendo consigo el aporte australoide. Hay pruebas antropologicas y arqueologicas que señalan estas migraciones al Centro y Sur de América, y ya es hora de que se conscientice.

    Las pruebas geneticas no distinguen los componentes amerindios, toda la mezcla que tiene la engloban como "Native American" (como si todos los amerindios fueran iguales, cuando son muy diversos). Solamente hacen distinción cuando hay un aporte relativamente reciente.

    Esa mujer del vídeo tiene aporte australoide en su "Native American".
    Sería bueno que compartiera el estudio donde diga que estas tribus del thread son melanesias, de lo contrario se quedan en el aire sus palabras.

    El consenso general es que la mayoría del genepool de los nativo americanos es siberiano, de las olas migratorias que cruzaron el estrecho de Bering.

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    Evil spaniards introduced SSA slaves to those places, thats why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samario View Post
    Sería bueno que compartiera el estudio donde diga que estas tribus del thread son melanesias, de lo contrario se quedan en el aire sus palabras.

    El consenso general es que la mayoría del genepool de los nativo americanos es siberiano, de las olas migratorias que cruzaron el estrecho de Bering.
    Te cito al científico Paul Rivet, que en sus investigaciones argumentaba que los primeros pobladores de América además de llegar de Asia, también llegaron desde Oceanía por medio de balsas y afirmó que los migrantes eran de origen multirracial (de ahí la gran diversidad de los amerindios). Paul Rivet argumenta que la población americana se llevó a cabo por cuatro oleadas migratorias denominadas de acuerdo a sus lugares de procedencia:

    Mongoloide
    Esquimales
    Australianos
    Melanesio-Malayo-Polinesio

    Se sabe que hubo intercambios culturales, en especial de alimentos. Por eso es que alimentos que son originarios de América, se encontraban en Asia antes de que los europeos los exportaran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samario View Post
    They are of Chibchan origin, did you know Chibchan peoples tend to cluster not too far away from Mayan peoples, I doubt either of these groups trace their origins back to Melanesia. Chibchans are more Northerly-shifted.

    And, some of these are in fact SSA-admixed, at least Arhuacos are.

    I've seen vids of Mexicans whose origins are 100% NA and they have wavy hair, too. See for yourself.

    Interesting. So I guess, in the Kogi's case, since they are literally pure Amerindians (according to the DNA study you posted), I assume that wavy and curly hair in them is probably natural selection rather than outside gene flow? Its interesting tho that they seem to have higher rates of non-straight hair compared to most Native Americans.

    Btw, its interesting how Kogis, Arhuacos look phenotypically rather different from both Mayan/Istmids and Amazonians/Brazilids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samario View Post
    They are of Chibchan origin, did you know Chibchan peoples tend to cluster not too far away from Mayan peoples, I doubt either of these groups trace their origins back to Melanesia. Chibchans are more Northerly-shifted.

    And, some of these are in fact SSA-admixed, at least Arhuacos are.

    I've seen vids of Mexicans whose origins are 100% NA and they have wavy hair, too. See for yourself.

    Btw have you seen a full blooded indigenous Colombian with full beard, with curly hair and being hairy? Also do most Native Americans in Colombia have sharp aquiline or round broad features?

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    Respecto a posibles oleadas llegadas a América procedentes de Oceanía, quisiera que vierais unas imágenes.

    Viviendas tradicionales de los indios tlingit (extremo sur de Alaska, Norteamérica):




    Viviendas tradicionales maoríes (Nueva Zelanda):




    Tótems ojibwa (norte de los Grandes Lagos, Norteamérica):


    Tikis tahitianos (Bora Bora, Polinesia Francesa):


    Tótems mapuches o chemamüll (centro-sur de Chile):


    Moais rapanui (Isla de Pascua, Polinesia oriental):


    Podemos irnos incluso más al oeste, a las costas asiáticas. Tótems jangseung (Corea):


    Ancianas mapuches (Chile):


    Mujeres de las Islas Marquesas (Polinesia Francesa):


    Mujer apache (Norteamérica):


    Pareja tonga (Tonga, Polinesia); atención a la similitud de la chica con la mujer de la foto anterior:


    Indios tlingit del sur de Alaska luciendo sus chilkat o mantos tradicionales:


    Pareja maorí de Nueva Zelanda envueltos en sus korowai, mantos maoríes hechos con plumas:


    No sé vosotros, pero yo veo parecidos demasiado evidentes, lo suficientemente evidentes como para sugerirme que detrás de todo esto hay algo más que simple casualidad. Fijaos que yo me di cuenta de estas similitudes ya desde niño, con 10-12 años. Negar las conexiones entre Oceanía y América es negar la realidad.

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