Professor Anastas Kocarev

[Renekton]

Huge brachycephaly and tatarian-Bulgarian look overall.

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The Alpines have that Tatarian-Bulgarian look

[Anaximander]

The Alpines have that Tatarian-Bulgarian look

Nope, there are pure alpines who cannot pass in Bulgaria, or Hungaria, or other Ugric nations.....
Like this [IMG][/IMG]

This Professor is clearly mixed with Ladogan, therefore he is GORID Alpinid.
Atherwise, a good Scientist.

[Vojnik]

Nope, there are pure alpines who cannot pass in Bulgaria, or Hungaria, or other Ugric nations.....
Like this [IMG][/IMG]

This Professor is clearly mixed with Ladogan, therefore he is GORID Alpinid.
Atherwise, a good Scientist.

Fuck you're dumb if you think that individual can't pass in Bulgaria. Get out of your village for a bit.

[Vojnik]

Anastas was a close associate of Marie Curie. First woman, and only woman to win the Nobel prize twice.

For such a person wanting to be in close collaboration with Anastas, says alot about this man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie

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He definitely called himself a Macedonian. Not a Bulgarian.

How much evidence do you need to understand that "Macedonian" in the 19th/20th century meant Bulgarian living in the Macedonian region?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D...BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

"Зараждането на идеята за “Независима Македония” става след Първата световна война, след разделянето на македонското от тракийското освободително движение. Тогава в редица официални документи на ВМРО е употребено известното понятие “автономия”, тъждествено на “независимост”, “самостоятелност”. Тодор Александров мотивира лозунга “Независима Македония” с няколко аргумента: средство за запазване целостта и неделимостта на Македония; начин за отбиване на сръбски и гръцки териториални претенции; заявената готовност на българското правителство да върне Пиринския край, за “да се създаде от Македония независима държава под протектората на великите сили”.[1]"

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0...B9%D0%BD%D0%B0

[Tauromachos]

Kocarev or Kotsaris,thats a Pontian name

[Vojnik]

Kocarev or Kotsaris,thats a Pontian name

ok

[Tauromachos]

ok

Your dumbass friend Crn Volk thumbed me down for that

[Crn Volk]

How much evidence do you need to understand that "Macedonian" in the 19th/20th century meant Bulgarian living in the Macedonian region?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D...BD%D0%B8%D1%8F

"Зараждането на идеята за “Независима Македония” става след Първата световна война, след разделянето на македонското от тракийското освободително движение. Тогава в редица официални документи на ВМРО е употребено известното понятие “автономия”, тъждествено на “независимост”, “самостоятелност”. Тодор Александров мотивира лозунга “Независима Македония” с няколко аргумента: средство за запазване целостта и неделимостта на Македония; начин за отбиване на сръбски и гръцки териториални претенции; заявената готовност на българското правителство да върне Пиринския край, за “да се създаде от Македония независима държава под протектората на великите сили”.[1]"

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0...B9%D0%BD%D0%B0

Yes it was Tito that made him an ethnic Macedonian in 1889. Damn Tito...

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Yes it was Tito that made him an ethnic Macedonian in 1889. Damn Tito...

No, problem doggy. I'll copy paste it again and again and again. Here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbianisation . There is info for Ottoman Macedonia, Serbian Macedonia and Yugoslavian Macedonia.

Let's give you a little breakdown of the most important parts :

Ottoman Macedonia

"Representatives from Serbia, such as the statesmen, diplomat and historian Stojan Novaković encouraged a separate Slavic Macedonian identity to counter the strong Bulgarian influence, to separate the local population from the rest of the Bulgarians, and to instill the "Serbian idea".[29] Serbianising directly the local Slavic population through propaganda and education was difficult due to strong Bulgarian sentiments at the time in the region.[29] The spread and promotion of Serbian Macedonianism was seen by Serbs as the first move toward eventually Serbianing the Macedonians.[29]"

Serbian Macedonia

"The region of present-day North Macedonia until 1912 was part of the Ottoman Empire. According to Encyclopædia Britannica 1911 Edition, at the beginning of the 20th century the Slavs constituted the majority of the population in Macedonia. Per Britannica itself the bulk of the Slavs there were regarded as "Bulgarians". Immediately after annexation of Vardar Macedonia to the Kingdom of Serbia, the Macedonian Slavs were faced with the policy of forced serbianisation.[36][37]"

"Those who declare as the Bulgarians were, harassed or deported to Bulgaria.[39] The high clergymen of the Bulgarian Exarchate were also deported.[40] Bulgarian schools were closed and teachers expelled. The population of Macedonia was forced to declare as Serbs. Those who refused were beaten and tortured.[41] Prominent people and teachers from Skopje who refused to declare as Serbs were deported to Bulgaria.[40] International Commission concluded that the Serbian state started in Macedonia wide sociological experiment of "assimilation through terror."[40] All Bulgarian books gave way to Serbian. The government Serbianized personal names and surnames for all official uses. Between 1913 and 1915 all people who spoke a Slavic language in Vardar Macedonia were presented by Serbia as Serbs.[42]"

"During the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, the government of the Kingdom pursued a linguistic Serbisation policy towards population of the Macedonia,[43] then called "Southern Serbia" (unofficially) or "Vardar Banovina" (officially). The dialects spoken in this region were referred to as dialects of Serbo-Croatian.[44] Southern dialects were suppressed with regards to education, military and other national activities, and their usage was punishable.[45] Following the First World War Serbian rule was reinstated over Vardar Macedonia, the local Bulgarian or Macedonian population was not recognised and an attempted Serbianisation occurred.[46][47][48] "

"In Vardar Macedonia, Bulgarian signage and literature was removed and societies were shut down along with the expulsion of Bulgarian teachers and clergy who had returned during the war.[46][50] Names of people were forcefully Serbianised such as Atanasov becoming Atanasović and Stankov as Stanković along with a spate of repression that followed through arrests, internment and detention.[46][42]"

"The initiation of an educational campaign made children to learn that "I am a true Serb like my father and my mother" while their parents were not receptive of the Yugoslav state.[51] A small number of inhabitants did declare themselves as South Serbs and Serbs, often done for reasons of opportunism.[49] Government authorities due to maladministration had difficulties in Serbianising the local population as they were strongly attached to the Bulgarian Orthodox Church (Exarchate) and Bulgarian nationalism.[42][55] The same authorities held conflicting views toward the population, whom they told were Serbian, whereas local inhabitants noticed they were treated unequally in relation to their Serb counterparts.[49] Some state officials let locals know that they viewed them as Bulgarians and used the term bugaraši for people that supported Bulgarians or were not recognised as Serbs.[49] The state considered individuals that supported local autonomy, culture or language as a Bulgaroman and sought their suppression.[56] In Vardar Macedonia Bulgarian newspapers were banned in many areas and mail from Bulgaria remained undelivered within the region due to "a technicality".[57]"

"Regions with pro-Bulgarian sentiments such as Tikveš and Bregalnica were violently Serbianised by Serb četniks that resulted in the population being gathered up for forced labour and local leaders killed.[50]"

"In 1930s a more homogeneous generation was growing up in Vardar Macedonia, which resisted Serbianisation and increasingly identified itself as Macedonian, but which also made it clear that Bulgarian idea was no more the only option for them. A sizable part of the local population nonetheless had undergone a transformation as Serbianised Slavs.[59] The government and its widespread massive Serbianisation campaign was unsuccessful in trying to eliminate the traces of an emerging Macedonian national consciousness among the local population.[60][54]"

"During the interwar period Bulgaria resented the Serbianisation policy in Vardar Macedonia.[57] In World War Two, the Bulgarian Army occupied southern Yugoslavia and their troops were welcomed as liberators from Serbianisation by the local Macedonian Slavs.[65][66]"

And your favorite Tito Macedonia

"After WWII Marshal Tito formed out SR Macedonia of a part of 1929–1941 Vardar Banovina, and encouraged the development of Macedonian identity and Macedonian as a separate South Slavic language.[81] The Macedonian national feelings were already ripe, but some researchers argue that even then, it was questionable whether the Macedonian Slavs considered themselves to be a nationality separate from the Bulgarians.[82]"

" Yugoslav Communists recognized the existence of a separate Macedonian nation to quiet the fears of the Slavic population that a new Yugoslavia would continue to follow the policies of forced serbianization. For the Yugoslav authorities to recognize the local Slavs as Bulgarians would be to admit, they should be part of Bulgaria. In fact, the recognition of the Macedonian language and nation aimed to de-bulgarize the local population and to create a national consciousness that would support the identification with Yugoslavia.[83] As result, persons continuing to declare Bulgarian identity were again imprisoned or went into exile, and so Vardar Macedonia was finally de-bulgarised.[84]"

"Some researchers have described the process of codifying the Macedonian language during 1945 - 1950 as 'Serbianization'.[85][86] Within the period of Macedonian language codification, two tendencies emerged: one language majority, that was pro-Macedonian, with some pro-Bulgarian biases, and one language minority openly pro-Serbian. The language minority, with the help of the Yugoslav political establishment defeated the language majority.[87] Macedonian became a “first” official language in the newly proclaimed SR Macedonia, where Serbian was declared as “second” language, while Bulgarian was prohibited.[88] "

You know what else happened in 1945? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Christmas_(1945)

"The Bloody Christmas (Bulgarian: Кървава Коледа, Kărvava Koleda; Macedonian: Крвава Коледа, Krvava Koleda) or the Bloody Bozhik (Bulgarian: Кървав Божик, Kărvav Bozhik; Macedonian: Крвав Божиќ, Krvav Božiḱ) was a campaign in which several hundred people of Macedonian Bulgarian descent were killed as collaborationists by the Yugoslav communist authorities in the Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia between 7–9 January 1945.[1] Thousands of others who retained their pro-Bulgarian sympathies suffered severe repression as a result.[2]"

Now back to Tito

"The irreversible turning point of Serbianisation of the Macedonian standard took place in the late 1950s.[89] On the other hand during the time of federation in Socialist Yugoslavia, Yugoslav citizens learned Serbo-Croatian at school. This bilingualism was stimulated by the subordinated pro-Serbian elites in Yugoslav Macedonia.[90][91] In this way the influence of Serbo-Croatian arrose so much, that the colloquial speech of the capital Skopje has been described as a "creolized form of Serbian".[91][92]"

And to end it with something more positive. Who actually supported independent Macedonia?

https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92...B1%D0%BE%D1%80

"Великият македонски събор е първият общ конгрес на всички на македонски организации в България, проведен в 1933 година, на който за пръв път е прокламирана нова крайна цел на македонското освободително движение – Независима Македония."

"Швейцарка по рождение, моята съдба се свърза с македонски българин. Седем години живях в Ресен и там, както и при другите си обиколки в Македония, се убедих, че там живеят българи. Това могат да отричат само хора, които не желаят да видят истината. Моят мъж и аз отидохме в Женева, за да защитим Македония... Моят мъж лежа 4 години в затвора, но аз като майка на две деца заявявам с гордост, че съм готова винаги да възпитавам своите деца в любов към Македония и към нейната борба за освобождение...[2]"

"Най-същественото условие за премахването на враждите и недоверието между балканските народи е обособяването на Македония, която днес е разпокъсана между трите държави Югославия, Гърция и България, в една самостоятелна политическа единица в нейните естествени географски граници. Идеалът е „Македония за македонците!“... С прискърбие съборът констатира, че рушители и престъпници спрямо македонското дело намират подкрепа и съдействие в българските официални политически кръгове.

"известните партизански кръжоци в България ще престанат да тормозят нашето освободително дело, което в основата си е дело за спасение на българщината в Македония... Да живее свободният български народ!"

The things that Macedonian people say about Bulgaria today make me think that supporting this idea was a big mistake.