Who have more Euro admix: Angolans/Mozambicans or Filipinos?

[Maguzanci]

So who?

Can anyone post DNA results of each pop to compare?

[El_Abominacion]

Full Angolans

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Angolan Mestizos/Mestiços

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Mozambican Mestizos/Mestiço (Only this one is available, no full Mozambicans)

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There is not very much to draw conclusions on in the Angolan samples because there are so few, the autosomal results are interesting nonetheless. All that can really be said conclusively is that the tested people who identify as fully Angolan have no European admixture whatsoever. Tested people who identify as Filipino will often have small amounts of European ancestry, between 0.1-4% typically. So, if going by 'full' Angolans and Filipinos, there's more present in Filipinos from the sample pool.

[Leto]

Filipinos. The African groups must be nearly zero European.

[Maguzanci]

Full Angolans

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Angolan Mestizos/Mestiços

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There is not very much to draw conclusions on in the Angolan samples because there are so few, the autosomal results are interesting nonetheless. All that can really be said conclusively is that the tested people who identify as fully Angolan have no European admixture whatsoever. Tested people who identify as Filipino will often have small amounts of European ancestry, between 0.1-4% typically. So, if going by 'full' Angolans and Filipinos, there's more present in Filipinos from the sample pool.

Very interesting reply!

I thought Angola and Mozambique are African nations with significant Latino culture/influence (Portuguese) just like how Philippines is Asian country with significant Spanish/Latino influence.

It seems like the Portuguese mixed with Natives in Angola/Mozambique even less than the Spaniards did with the locals in Philippines. I guess most of Portuguese influence is cultural rather than genetics.

[yamagi]

The Spanish liked Philippina women, no doubt.

[El_Abominacion]

Very interesting reply!

I thought Angola and Mozambique are African nations with significant Latino culture/influence (Portuguese) just like how Philippines is Asian country with significant Spanish/Latino influence.

It seems like the Portuguese mixed with Natives in Angola/Mozambique even less than the Spaniards did with the locals in Philippines. I guess most of Portuguese influence is cultural rather than genetics.

Thanks and sorry about the initial awful formatting - the spoilers were being retarded and i've fixed them.

Yeah, I was initially under the impression that Mozambique and Angola didn't even have Mestizos, but were simply African nations with Portuguese cultural influence

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

2% of the Angolan population is ethnically a mestizo. It might not seem much but if you compare it to other Sub-Saharan nations I do not think you will not find any other with higher figures with the exception of South Africa and Cape-Verde (I have not checked demographic stats of each nation, I might be wrong but it is my impression).

Angola has a population of 31,127,674 inhabitants according to the latest estimation available from 2020 which means it has roughly 622,553 mestizos. It is a minority but visible from the experience I have had while living in Angola, particularly in Luanda.

Mozambique probably does not have more than 1% of its population identifying as a mestizo, likely they have ~300,000 people of mixed ethnic background (still their largest minority probably).

[Maguzanci]

2% of the Angolan population is ethnically a mestizo. It might not seem much but if you compare it to other Sub-Saharan nations I do not think you will not find any other with higher figures with the exception of South Africa and Cape-Verde (I have not checked demographic stats of each nation, I might be wrong but it is my impression).

Angola has a population of 31,127,674 inhabitants according to the latest estimation available from 2020 which means it has roughly 622,553 mestizos. It is a minority but visible from the experience I have had while living in Angola, particularly in Luanda.

Mozambique probably does not have more than 1% of its population identifying as a mestizo, likely they have ~300,000 people of mixed ethnic background (still their largest minority probably).

Do Angolan and Mozambican Mestizos intermarried and mixed with the indigenous Africans or do they separated and segregated themselves?

Seems like Philippines has higher distribution of Euro admix than these two African countries. Is there a reason why the Portuguese didn't intermix much with the natives compared to places like Cape Verde or Latin America? Just curious.

Also is it possible for indigenous Angolans/Mozambicans (non-mestizo) to have minor Euro admix from distant Portuguese ancestors?

[Maguzanci]

Thanks and sorry about the initial awful formatting - the spoilers were being retarded and i've fixed them.

Yeah, I was initially under the impression that Mozambique and Angola didn't even have Mestizos, but were simply African nations with Portuguese cultural influence

Me too. I thought Portuguese imposed some sort of racial hierarchy system in Angola Mozambique similar to those in.Latin America and Philippines.

Filipinos typically score minor Euro ancestry from 1-5% though many can also score around 6-10%, some Pinoy results can even be up to 15-20% Euro but its pretty atypical.

Btw that Filipino dna result seem unique. He/she score around 13.5% South Asian which is pretty unique and very atypical as most don't score South Asian on 23andme. Is he/she a Muslim or from somewhere in the south close to Indonesia/Malaysia? Do you have his/her gedmatch results?

[El_Abominacion]

Me too. I thought Portuguese imposed some sort of racial hierarchy system in Angola Mozambique similar to those in.Latin America and Philippines.

Filipinos typically score minor Euro ancestry from 1-5% though many can also score around 6-10%, some Pinoy results can even be up to 15-20% Euro but its pretty atypical.

Btw that Filipino dna result seem unique. He/she score around 13.5% South Asian which is pretty unique and very atypical as most don't score South Asian on 23andme. Is he/she a Muslim or from somewhere in the south close to Indonesia/Malaysia? Do you have his/her gedmatch results?

It's definitely an atypical result and definitely from recent ancestry, here's the original post

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...23me_surprise/

They described their maternal uncles features as atypical for Filipinos so there's a good chance it comes from the maternal side