Who have more Euro admix: Angolans/Mozambicans or Filipinos?

[Damião de Góis]

You have to remember that spanish control in the Philippines ended in 1898 while portuguese control over Angola and Mozambique only ended in 1974 so there's actually a lot of portuguese people that were born in the colonies and returned after 1974 when they became independent. This can be seen for example in a lot of portuguese actors, journalists, politicians, footballers, etc.
But not everyone returned so it's still possible to see portuguese influence in Angola and Mozambique. It's possible to find mozambicans that are fully portuguese like this writer:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Couto

I don't think it's possible to find philipinos that are fully spanish.

[PaleoEuropean]

If you count Filipinos abroad definitely Filipinos.

[SharpFork]

If you count Filipinos abroad definitely Filipinos.

If you count Angolans abroad you end up counting many Brazilians, but that's cheating.

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

Do Angolan and Mozambican Mestizos intermarried and mixed with the indigenous Africans or do they separated and segregated themselves?

Seems like Philippines has higher distribution of Euro admix than these two African countries. Is there a reason why the Portuguese didn't intermix much with the natives compared to places like Cape Verde or Latin America? Just curious.

Also is it possible for indigenous Angolans/Mozambicans (non-mestizo) to have minor Euro admix from distant Portuguese ancestors?

The mestizos intermarry with the indigenous population with no problem whatsoever. Bare in mind that Angola in the 50's had a population of 5 million inhabitants and it is estimated that by the end of this century it will have a population of 200 million inhabitants. European genomes likely will be diluted and spread out, it will not be uncommon for Angolans to score at least 1% European.

[Tooting Carmen]

Filipinos.

[gixajo]

You have to remember that spanish control in the Philippines ended in 1898 while portuguese control over Angola and Mozambique only ended in 1974 so there's actually a lot of portuguese people that were born in the colonies and returned after 1974 when they became independent. This can be seen for example in a lot of portuguese actors, journalists, politicians, footballers, etc.
But not everyone returned so it's still possible to see portuguese influence in Angola and Mozambique. It's possible to find mozambicans that are fully portuguese like this writer:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Couto

I don't think it's possible to find philipinos that are fully spanish.

I was going to say something similar.

I don't think it's possible to find philipinos that are fully spanish.

Something that could explain this, is the Japanese ocupation of Filipinas, that wiped out the largest colony of most pure Spanish descendents who stayed when the islands came under U.S. control in 1898.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masacr..._espa%C3%B1ola

[GaneshD'Souza]

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[GaneshD'Souza]

You have to remember that spanish control in the Philippines ended in 1898 while portuguese control over Angola and Mozambique only ended in 1974 so there's actually a lot of portuguese people that were born in the colonies and returned after 1974 when they became independent. This can be seen for example in a lot of portuguese actors, journalists, politicians, footballers, etc.
But not everyone returned so it's still possible to see portuguese influence in Angola and Mozambique. It's possible to find mozambicans that are fully portuguese like this writer:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Couto

I don't think it's possible to find philipinos that are fully spanish.

There are plenty of Filipinos who pass as Spanish, still in the Philippines even after many generations

Here's one. Both his parents are Filipino. He's a 5th generation Filipino still in the Philippines


Many others...

[GaneshD'Souza]

I was going to say something similar.



Something that could explain this, is the Japanese ocupation of Filipinas, that wiped out the largest colony of most pure Spanish descendents who stayed when the islands came under U.S. control in 1898.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masacr..._espa%C3%B1ola

No. It's a very common myth that the Spanish community was wiped out during the Manila Massacre. The Japanese actually liked the Spanish in Manila and for the most part they got along. It was only toward the end of the War, when they were losing, that they decided to destroy Manila. They didn't specifically target Spaniards, it was just that a lot of Spaniards lived there.

https://www.elconfidencial.com/espan...-anos_2462568/

Read the article. It says "238 víctimas (había 3.000 censados)" So 238 of the 3,000 Spanish citizens in Manila were killed. Around half of the Spanish citizens in the Philippines lived in Manila. So the majority of Spanish citizens were NOT killed in the Manila Massacre. Btw, that 3,000 living in Manila only includes Spanish citizens, because even during the American period, there were Spanish citizens moving to the Philippines for business. Most Spanish criollos who had been there for a long time already became Filipino citizens like the Zobels, Elizaldes, etc.

For example, these families had already switch to Filipino citizenship, so they wouldn't have been counted in the 3,000. They still live in the Philippines to this day btw

Mother is from the Zobel de Ayala family, father is from the Elizalde family


Father is from the Preysler family (related to Enrique Iglesias), mother is from the Aboitiz family


Father is from the Aboitiz family, mother is from the Caburrus family


Father is from the Elizalde family, mother is from the Cardenas family


^All of those have roots in the Philippines going back to the early 1800s, and they would have already been citizens of the Philippines by the time the war struck. The 5,000 or so Spanish citizens in the Philippines at the time of WW2 were more recent arrivals who moved to the Philippines during the American period to work in the thriving tobacco industry.

Many more examples. Most are just from regular families, not wealthy, well-known family. Still living in the Philippines to this day


Even after the war, there was never a large scale mass exodus of Spaniards back to Spain, because Spain wasn't doing too well either. I can only find one boat "exodus." The year after the massacre, one boat went from Manila to Spain. It says "El 16 de abril emprendió el viaje de regreso con casi 400 pasajeros, de ellos 262 eran repatriados, y entre estos se contaban un centenar de niños." So only 262 were Spanish citizens moving back to Spain, most were orphans. https://www.lavanguardia.com/hemerot...lus-ultra.html

[GaneshD'Souza]

More examples of European-passing Filipinos still living in the Philippines. None are recent expats. They have families that have been there for at least 100 years

The two white-passing girls are sisters from a full Filipino family. The Asian-looking woman in the video (Maria Parsons) is not related and she's only half Filipino


Enrique Razon- speaking Taglish like a regular urban Filipino. He has a working-class accent even though he's a billionaire.


Pilita Corrales speaking Tagalog


Jaime Fabregas speaking Tagalog


These next examples aren't speaking Tagalog but they have an upper-class Filipino accent




In the video he's speaking English but he speaks a language in the Philippines called Cebuano because that's where he was raised


^Those are just some famous and high-society examples. There are plenty of regular, unknown people too.

She speaks Tagalog toward the end


He has a typical Filipino accent when speaking English