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    Para mis compañeros portadores del R-Z225 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a5), les dedico este pequeño descubrimiento.

    Resulta que analizando mas muestras de la antigua Iberia, me he encontrado por Santo Domingo de la Calzada con un individuo, varón, datado en la Edad de Bronce, que portaba este clado, se le conoce científicamente con la etiqueta de VAD001, y su información es la siguiente:

    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
    DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

    VAD001
    mtDNA: U5b1
    Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2a5

    Esta disponible en las muestras de Davidski, y utilizando mi calculadora de componentes antiguos, nos sale de la siguiente manera:

    Target: Iberia_North_BA:VAD001
    Distance: 4.8986% / 0.04898619
    59.6 Early_European_Farmer
    21.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    18.6 Western_Steppe_Herder
    0.4 Iberomaurusian

    Evidentemente su linea paterna se puede trazar con su descendencia indo-europea, pero notar que es solo 18.6%, muy por debajo de la media, pero muy cercano a los vascos y luego a los riojanos, que es donde se encuentra este bonito pueblo de Santo Domingo de la Calzada, en La Rioja.

    Podemos estar hablando de un individuo de origen que tiene sus orígenes con los antiguos vascones? O era un celtíbero quien probablemente tenia mas descendencia ibera, y se encontraba en un momento donde los celtas e iberos no estaban tan mezclados genética y culturalmente?

    Espero que lo disfruten!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damião de Góis View Post
    Obviously not entirely because I2 and G2 still exist. H as Y-DNA never heard of it. Seems like that study wasn't made by real scientists but by tabloid reporters if we look at the sensationalist headline.
    I is around 10-15% of Spain They never would have been numerous to begin with. They are also pretty evenly distributed.








    These are different studies so different results of course.
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    I dont know shit about haplogroups but.... R-L23 Pride! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mixdguy17 View Post
    I dont know shit about haplogroups but.... R-L23 Pride! Lol
    According to the map you would be Northern Spanish/Basque or Catalon
    Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.

    Even if this were hard--that is how it is ! Assuredly, however, by far the harder fate is that which strikes the man who thinks he can overcome Nature, but in the last analysis only mocks her. Distress, misfortune, and diseases are her answer.

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    Celt (6.539)
    Frank (10.13)
    Viking Icelandic (10.34)
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    Celt + Frank (6.031)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocinante View Post
    Para mis compañeros portadores del R-Z225 (R1b1a1a2a1a2a5), les dedico este pequeño descubrimiento.

    Resulta que analizando mas muestras de la antigua Iberia, me he encontrado por Santo Domingo de la Calzada con un individuo, varón, datado en la Edad de Bronce, que portaba este clado, se le conoce científicamente con la etiqueta de VAD001, y su información es la siguiente:

    http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6432/1230
    DOI: 10.1126/science.aav4040

    VAD001
    mtDNA: U5b1
    Y-DNA: R1b1a1a2a1a2a5

    Esta disponible en las muestras de Davidski, y utilizando mi calculadora de componentes antiguos, nos sale de la siguiente manera:

    Target: Iberia_North_BA:VAD001
    Distance: 4.8986% / 0.04898619
    59.6 Early_European_Farmer
    21.4 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
    18.6 Western_Steppe_Herder
    0.4 Iberomaurusian

    Evidentemente su linea paterna se puede trazar con su descendencia indo-europea, pero notar que es solo 18.6%, muy por debajo de la media, pero muy cercano a los vascos y luego a los riojanos, que es donde se encuentra este bonito pueblo de Santo Domingo de la Calzada, en La Rioja.

    Podemos estar hablando de un individuo de origen que tiene sus orígenes con los antiguos vascones? O era un celtíbero quien probablemente tenia mas descendencia ibera, y se encontraba en un momento donde los celtas e iberos no estaban tan mezclados genética y culturalmente?

    Espero que lo disfruten!
    Excelente aportación

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    The J2 Map in the OP is edited or something, here is the original

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul View Post
    The Age of R1 is over... The time of the J2, has come (again)
    Quote Originally Posted by The Blade
    I'd say Turanid/Alpine/Mediterranean mix.
    Target: DrMaul
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    100.0 First Man - J2 Atlantean

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    I is around 10-15% of Spain They never would have been numerous to begin with. They are also pretty evenly distributed.








    These are different studies so different results of course.
    Ancient samples before the arrival of the celts and bell-beakers, were mostly iberos carrying the I2.

    In modern numbers, the distribution of I are this:

    I1 : 1.5% in Spain, 2% in Portugal, most common in Extremadura (Spain) with 3.5%
    I2a: 4.5% in Spain, 1.5% in Portugal, most common in Aragon (Spain) with 14.5%
    I2b: 1% in Spain, 3% in Portugal and most common in here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocinante View Post

    Evidentemente su linea paterna se puede trazar con su descendencia indo-europea, pero notar que es solo 18.6%, muy por debajo de la media, pero muy cercano a los vascos y luego a los riojanos, que es donde se encuentra este bonito pueblo de Santo Domingo de la Calzada, en La Rioja.

    Podemos estar hablando de un individuo de origen que tiene sus orígenes con los antiguos vascones? O era un celtíbero quien probablemente tenia mas descendencia ibera, y se encontraba en un momento donde los celtas e iberos no estaban tan mezclados genética y culturalmente?

    Espero que lo disfruten!
    si recuerdo correctamente, esta muestra ronda los 4500 ybp, ¿verdad? De ser así, habría sido cuando los agricultores ingresaron a la península y reemplazaron a los pueblos antiguos / antiguos fuera de la región (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019...ts-alive-today). Básicamente se cree que los antiguos eran recolectores puramente cazadores y fueron reemplazados por granjeros de Anatolia explicando cuántos R-M269 provienen del este.

    Parte del articulo:

    "Los europeos centrales que eran descendientes de pastores de los pastizales de Europa del Este y Rusia, aparecieron en Iberia, comenzando a principios de la Edad del Bronce hace 4500 años. Probablemente introdujeron un idioma indoeuropeo temprano (la principal familia de más de 400 idiomas hablados) en Europa y Asia hoy), según Olalde. Al principio, los granjeros europeos vivían junto a los granjeros que ya estaban en España, (tambien) Portugal, basados ​​en ADN antiguo de hombres enterrados casi al mismo tiempo en los mismos lugares. Pero en unos pocos cientos de años, casi todos los cromosomas Y de los agricultores ibéricos desaparecieron y fueron reemplazados por el ADN de los agricultores de Europa central ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    According to the map you would be Northern Spanish/Basque or Catalon
    That's pretty cool man!

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    Hoping for more samples. Right now Z225 is prevalent in north iberia as well as R-L21... but L21 is very prevalent in Ireland, wales, England which kind of points to a Celtic origin. While z225 seems to be probably one of the more ancient remnants of hunters intermingling with farmers. Z225 seems quite prevalent in Galicia, Castille y Leon, etc etc. which is usually the heart of the Portuguese and western Iberian gene pool so makes sense for me (family originally from the north probably- genetically) to have migrated south overtime.

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