Are Poles just Slavicized?

[Zeno]

Poland?

You mean O S T P R E U ẞ E N?!

[Tauromachos]

A couple of studies from what I have seen show that Polish people show genetic continuity to the Polish Bronze Age, so does this indicate that Poles are Slavicized? Did a Slavic elite just take over the modern-day area of Poland during the Great Migration Period and Slavicize it through culture, linguistics, and religion?

If they were Slavicized what would native Pre Slavic Poles then have been?

[Ülev]

but I am Slavicised and was almost Russicised ("Vassiliy") to the new nickname ---> Russophobe

[Mingle]

Sorry for my ignorance on this topic but if Poles descended from proto-Slavs near the Ukraine and Belarus border, why would a couple DNA studies show Polish genetic continuity to the Bronze Age populations in Poland?

To have continuity with BA populations, they would just need to be less than 100% Slavic and have at least a drop of native BA blood.

Going from "having a drop of native BA blood" to "Slavicized" is a big leap.

So just cause they're not 100% Slavic doesn't mean they're Slavicized. The vast majority of their DNA is still from Proto-Slavs.

[vbnetkhio]

i did a quick analysis of Polish Bronze age samples:



they are not extremely different from modern Poles, but the differences are obvious. most importantly, the North Atlantic and Baltic components switched places.
also, they don't really fit too well into any modern population:


then, we have two Gothic samples which are similar to modern Germanic peoples, and finally, an early medieval sample which is similar to modern Poles:



https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...val-Polish-DNA

[TheOldNorth]

Mosty, yes, because the other areas (west and north) used to be German territory before World War 2.

yes but you must remember there was mas German deportations in that area, and Polish resettlement

[JohnJack]

i did a quick analysis of Polish Bronze age samples:



they are not extremely different from modern Poles, but the differences are obvious. most importantly, the North Atlantic and Baltic components switched places.
also, they don't really fit too well into any modern population:


then, we have two Gothic samples which are similar to modern Germanic peoples, and finally, an early medieval sample which is similar to modern Poles:



https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...val-Polish-DNA

So Polish BA and IA must've been similar to the proto-Slavs, but Poles descend from proto-Slavs all in all? Thanks, I've really been kind of obsessed with this question and I have gotten various answers.

[Loki]

yes but you must remember there was mas German deportations in that area, and Polish resettlement

Sure, but the resettled people could have come from anywhere, hence it would be less homogeneic Polish than the SE.

[Creoda]

The pre-Slavic natives of East-Central Europe are quite mysterious really, at least to me. Very little is spoken or written of them.

[TheOldNorth]

Sure, but the resettled people could have come from anywhere, hence it would be less homogeneic Polish than the SE.

true, I never denied that fact, was just saying they likely weren't genetically that German, maybe part baltic or east slavic, or hungarian, but likely not german