Balkan Turks Y-DNA 2020

[Kaspias]

Former work in 2019: Balkan Turks PCA, Clustering, 4-Oracle, East Eurasian Admixture and Y-DNA

- I deleted 9 samples from the former version as I find their reliability low and added 79 new samples.
- Individuals now cover almost all regions Balkan Turks live.
- Tatar, Romani and non-Turk Muslims excluded.

Findings:

• J is predominantly in Thrace.(~80%)
• I1 is only in Northern Bulgaria.
• O, C and Q are in Thrace.
• N is concentrated on the regions we know that populated by early migrators(called Yörüks) before 1500. (See: Kesriye, Kayılar, Hasköy, Selanik, Varna)
• NE Bulgaria(Deliorman) had 3 R-Z93 individuals with different surnames.
• R1b, R1a, E-V13, I2 show up randomly all over the regions.
• G shows up around Plovdiv.

[Chris596]

A good amount of them is R1 and E-V13, that is expected in my opinion. And now I realize how special you are (seriously). Since your Y-DNA is Q. Wow! I thought it's more prevalent among Turks even in the Balkans. Seems like I was mistaken.

[Leto]

So only about 12-13% of the lineages can be considered East Eurasian. I'm sure if you look at their mt DNA the EE share will be even lower.

[Rocinante]

Good amount of R1b, also J2.

[Korialstrasz]

So only about 12-13% of the lineages can be considered East Eurasian. I'm sure if you look at their mt DNA the EE share will be even lower.

How does this ratio look for "benchmark" populations in the region, like Bulgarians, Thracians etc?

[Kaspias]

A good amount of them is R1 and E-V13, that is expected in my opinion. And now I realize how special you are (seriously). Since your Y-DNA is Q. Wow! I thought it's more prevalent among Turks even in the Balkans. Seems like I was mistaken.

I'm the only Q in this chart. There is one more Q individual from Dobrudja but he identifies as Tatar, so I excluded him. Q is not common among Turkey Turks in general, L330 is not present at all except two Tatars.

So only about 12-13% of the lineages can be considered East Eurasian. I'm sure if you look at their mt DNA the EE share will be even lower.

Well, not that clear. A random R or J clade could appear as present among Proto-Turks. For example when I look at STR values of J individuals opted in to this research I see that there are two values on a specific marker mutated, and believe that one group belongs to Balkans while other brought by Turks. Same applies to other haplogroups.

With a basic calculation that may be far from reality, I can say that from 20% to 30% Turkic originated while the rest seem to be native. There are also a few aliens that neither can be native nor Turkic.

How does this ratio look for "benchmark" populations in the region, like Bulgarians, Thracians etc?

I have data for Pomaks and Bulgarians only.

This one is very superficial thanks to insufficient data.

Pomaks: N=25



And you should see some overlap here:

Bulgarians: N=550

[Korialstrasz]

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Bulgarians: N=550

Didn't expect to see this much overlapping. Seems very similar excluding N.

[Kaspias]

Didn't expect to see this much overlapping. Seems very similar excluding N.

Yes, indeed there is a great overlap.

Besides N, boosted R1b, J2, and lesser I2 give a hint.

[Bender1999]

It is very interesting to see that Anatolian and Balkan Oghuz groups have more N, and Auerbaijan, Iran and Horasan(incl. Turkmenistan+Afghanistan) more Q. That would mean Oghuz tribes differs by Haplogroups. More questions about Oghuz/Turkic ethnogenesis...

[Kaspias]

It is very interesting to see that Anatolian and Balkan Oghuz groups have more N, and Auerbaijan, Iran and Horasan(incl. Turkmenistan+Afghanistan) more Q. That would mean Oghuz tribes differs by Haplogroups. More questions about Oghuz/Turkic ethnogenesis...

This is a good topic to talk about. You will remember that I posted various subtraction threads, and Turkic admixture of Azerbaijani Turks were rather closer to the Kipchak group, which makes me think that there is an overlap between Oghuz and Kipchak in terms of genetics. Turkey Turks should be genetically the furthermost Oghuz group in this sense, but I'm just speculating. On the other hand, I'm not aware of research on Turkmens that covers the whole Turkmen population. If you know, please post. The ones I saw were specified on tribes. And I don't think Q has such a significant role in Turkmens as claimed but only in some tribes.

For Balkan Turks, there is also a R1b factor here which can be boosted by Turks. I wonder if the same case applies to Anatolian Turks(I don't really have information on it), because it can be about Tatars as well. Turkic R1a, J2, and N seem to be common both among Anatolian and Balkan Turks.