Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 16

Thread: Balkan Turks mtDNA

  1. #1
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Kaspias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Ankara
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Rumelian
    Ethnicity
    Balkan Turkish, Pomak
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Q-F16045
    mtDNA
    K1a
    Gender
    Posts
    7,445
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11,835
    Given: 7,303

    6 Not allowed!

    Default Balkan Turks mtDNA

    For the first time, there is data on the mtDNA of Balkan Turks!

    We prepared it with @Thracian, and possibly will be updated in the future together with the Y-DNA project as we get more samples.



    Regional SS:

    Spoiler!

  2. #2
    Member Korialstrasz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2020
    Last Online
    06-29-2023 @ 09:09 PM
    Ethnicity
    Balkan + Caucasus
    Country
    Germany
    Region
    Berlin
    Y-DNA
    G-M210
    mtDNA
    U5b2a3a
    Politics
    Duncan Idaho
    Gender
    Posts
    124
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 124
    Given: 62

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Great Work!
    Kaspias, I think you can add mine as well. Tutrakan, FTDNA.

  3. #3
    Veteran Member Sora's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    03-16-2024 @ 12:28 PM
    Location
    Istanbul(real life) / Seoul(in dreams)
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Turkic + Native Anatolian & some Iranic
    Ethnicity
    Turkish(50% Central Anatolian + 25% Chepni + 18.75% Meskhetian) + distant Kurdish(6.25%)
    Ancestry
    Central Asia(Oghuz w some Kipchak) & Anatolia(mostly Hittite) with distant Zagrosia
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Oghuz Khagan
    mtDNA
    Empress Ashina
    Taxonomy
    Alpine-Pontid + Turanid
    Politics
    Kemalism, Patriotism & anti-Oppaism
    Hero
    1. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 2. Empress Ashina 3. Alper Gezeravcı 4. Verona Petrova
    Religion
    Islam
    Relationship Status
    Married to a haplo O in the parallel universe
    Age
    21
    Gender
    Posts
    3,735
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,796
    Given: 2,465

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Nice! Also it's interesting that there are more Mongoloid mtdna in Balkan Turks than Anatolian Turks
    Ask Sora: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Sora-anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Last Online
    03-23-2023 @ 10:39 AM
    Ethnicity
    Healthy human being
    Country
    Moldova
    Gender
    Posts
    5,581
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,505
    Given: 1,507

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    No T2a1b though

  5. #5
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Kaspias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Ankara
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Rumelian
    Ethnicity
    Balkan Turkish, Pomak
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Q-F16045
    mtDNA
    K1a
    Gender
    Posts
    7,445
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11,835
    Given: 7,303

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Korialstrasz View Post
    Great Work!
    Kaspias, I think you can add mine as well. Tutrakan, FTDNA.
    I added to the data file, thank you. It will be present in the next update.






    I prepared another chart to compare. Bulgarians:

    N=1000


  6. #6
    Veteran Member Sora's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Last Online
    03-16-2024 @ 12:28 PM
    Location
    Istanbul(real life) / Seoul(in dreams)
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Turkic + Native Anatolian & some Iranic
    Ethnicity
    Turkish(50% Central Anatolian + 25% Chepni + 18.75% Meskhetian) + distant Kurdish(6.25%)
    Ancestry
    Central Asia(Oghuz w some Kipchak) & Anatolia(mostly Hittite) with distant Zagrosia
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Oghuz Khagan
    mtDNA
    Empress Ashina
    Taxonomy
    Alpine-Pontid + Turanid
    Politics
    Kemalism, Patriotism & anti-Oppaism
    Hero
    1. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk 2. Empress Ashina 3. Alper Gezeravcı 4. Verona Petrova
    Religion
    Islam
    Relationship Status
    Married to a haplo O in the parallel universe
    Age
    21
    Gender
    Posts
    3,735
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 2,796
    Given: 2,465

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Also there are informations about y-dna and mtdna of Anatolian Turks too: http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turk...icGenetics.htm

    You can compare Balkan Turk mtdnas to Anatolian ones:

    Ask Sora: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...-Sora-anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Maul
    Good observation Sheikh

  7. #7
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Kaspias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Ankara
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Rumelian
    Ethnicity
    Balkan Turkish, Pomak
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Q-F16045
    mtDNA
    K1a
    Gender
    Posts
    7,445
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11,835
    Given: 7,303

    4 Not allowed!

    Default

    I thought I can use Vahaduo functionality on a haplogroup base, and prepared a spreadsheet of some Central Asian populations.




    Source: mtDNA Haplogroup frequency distribution in the gene pools of Türkic ethnic groups and North-East Asian indigenous populations, Fedorova et al., 2003


    Then added Bulgarian and Balkan Turks into:

    Distance to: Balkan_Turk
    7.67330437 Bulgarians
    12.63744436 Tatars
    24.32046463 Chuvash
    28.73678827 Uighurs
    30.98391518 Bashkirs
    33.45102390 Kazakhs
    35.03311291 Kyrgyz
    45.08808046 Altai
    48.71908250 Mongols
    53.49161617 Shorians
    55.21060587 Khakassians
    56.19847863 Evens
    56.68718550 Tuvinians
    63.81641638 Soyots
    65.29639347 Yakuts
    67.23447776 Koryaks
    80.85540798 Itelmen
    84.05896145 Chukcha
    92.00362493 Eskimo
    94.17546921 Evenks

    Target: Balkan_Turk
    Distance: 16.9940% / 16.994037
    83.8 Bulgarians
    8.2 Evens
    7.4 Kyrgyz
    0.4 Tatars
    0.2 Itelmen


    SS

    Code:
    Bulgarians,0,0,0,0,0,0,1.00,9.95,7.96,17.91,40.80,22.38
    Yakuts,2.1,0.5,44.0,30.4,4.2,6.3,2.6,1.1,1.1,1.1,2.6,4.0
    Chuvash,1.8,0,1.8,3.6,0,0,1.8,5.5,3.7,36.4,25.5,19.9
    Tatars,2.3,0,1.7,2.9,1.2,0,2.3,8.1,8.1,24.7,31.6,17.1
    Bashkirs,4.3,0,12.8,8.1,4.7,6.2,1.0,3.3,5.2,27.5,14.2,12.7
    Uighurs,7.3,7.3,1.8,16.4,0,7.3,7.3,0,1.8,16.4,20.0,14.4
    Kazakhs,9.6,5.8,7.7,19.2,5.8,1.9,5.8,0,7.7,5.7,15.4,15.4
    Kyrgyz,3.3,6.5,14.1,19.6,7.6,3.3,6.5,5.4,3.3,3.3,18.5,8.6
    Altai,3.3,3.3,30.4,9.8,4.4,5.4,9.8,5.4,0,5.4,5.4,17.4
    Shorians,0,2.4,7.1,9.5,0,43.0,2.4,11.9,0,0,21.4,2.3
    Khakassians,3.7,5.6,35.2,9.3,0,22.0,0,1.9,1.9,11.1,3.7,5.6
    Soyots,8.8,2.9,17.6,50.0,0,0,0,0,0,5.9,0,14.8
    Tuvinians,5.6,14.0,36.1,16.7,5.6,8.3,0,0,0,2.8,2.8,8.1
    Koryaks,5.2,0,36.1,1.3,41.9,0,0,0,0,0,0,15.5
    Itelmen,6.4,0,14.9,0,68.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.6
    Chukcha,68.2,0,10.6,12.1,9.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Eskimo,77.2,0,2.5,20.3,0,0,0,00,0,0,0,0
    Evenks,3.9,0,84.3,9.8,0,2.0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Evens,4.6,0,26.2,15.4,0,1.5,0,0,0,0,0,52.3
    Mongols,3.9,9.7,14.6,30.1,2.9,5.8,11.7,0,1.0,3.9,7.8,8.6
    Balkan Turks

    Code:
    Balkan_Turk,0,0,3.08,3.08,0.77,0,1.54,10.00,6.92,15.38,35.38,23.85

    Conclusion:

    • Ratio of Eastern Eurasian mt-DNA is equal or slightly more than y-DNA.
    • Both type of haplogroups has from 20% to 30% Turkic origin, probably.



    For further, I need to improve SS by adding Anatolian Turks, Romanians, Greeks, and Macedonians and Turkmens.

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Last Online
    03-23-2023 @ 10:39 AM
    Ethnicity
    Healthy human being
    Country
    Moldova
    Gender
    Posts
    5,581
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,505
    Given: 1,507

    4 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    I added to the data file, thank you. It will be present in the next update.






    I prepared another chart to compare. Bulgarians:

    N=1000

    Romanians from Romania as promised






  9. #9
    Veteran Member
    Apricity Funding Member
    "Friend of Apricity"

    Kaspias's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Last Online
    @
    Location
    Ankara
    Meta-Ethnicity
    Rumelian
    Ethnicity
    Balkan Turkish, Pomak
    Country
    Turkey
    Y-DNA
    Q-F16045
    mtDNA
    K1a
    Gender
    Posts
    7,445
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 11,835
    Given: 7,303

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    .
    SS

    Code:
    Bulgarians,0,0,0,0,0,0,1.00,9.95,7.96,17.91,40.80,22.38
    Balkan_Turk,0,0,3.08,3.08,0.77,0,1.54,10.00,6.92,15.38,35.38,23.85
    Romanian_Dobruja,0,0,0,1.9,0,0,1.0,11.4,5.8,9.5,40.0,30.4
    Romanian_Moldavia,0,0,0.5,0,0,0,2.60,8.60,9.90,17.50,37.7,23.32
    Romanian_Transylvania,0.5,0,0,1.2,0,0,0,11.2,8.0,14.5,34.9,29.7
    Romanian_Wallachia,0,0,0,0,0,0,2.2,10.3,8.5,15.8,41.2,22.0
    Yakuts,2.1,0.5,44.0,30.4,4.2,6.3,2.6,1.1,1.1,1.1,2.6,4.0
    Chuvash,1.8,0,1.8,3.6,0,0,1.8,5.5,3.7,36.4,25.5,19.9
    Tatars,2.3,0,1.7,2.9,1.2,0,2.3,8.1,8.1,24.7,31.6,17.1
    Bashkirs,4.3,0,12.8,8.1,4.7,6.2,1.0,3.3,5.2,27.5,14.2,12.7
    Uighurs,7.3,7.3,1.8,16.4,0,7.3,7.3,0,1.8,16.4,20.0,14.4
    Kazakhs,9.6,5.8,7.7,19.2,5.8,1.9,5.8,0,7.7,5.7,15.4,15.4
    Kyrgyz,3.3,6.5,14.1,19.6,7.6,3.3,6.5,5.4,3.3,3.3,18.5,8.6
    Altai,3.3,3.3,30.4,9.8,4.4,5.4,9.8,5.4,0,5.4,5.4,17.4
    Shorians,0,2.4,7.1,9.5,0,43.0,2.4,11.9,0,0,21.4,2.3
    Khakassians,3.7,5.6,35.2,9.3,0,22.0,0,1.9,1.9,11.1,3.7,5.6
    Soyots,8.8,2.9,17.6,50.0,0,0,0,0,0,5.9,0,14.8
    Tuvinians,5.6,14.0,36.1,16.7,5.6,8.3,0,0,0,2.8,2.8,8.1
    Koryaks,5.2,0,36.1,1.3,41.9,0,0,0,0,0,0,15.5
    Itelmen,6.4,0,14.9,0,68.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.6
    Chukcha,68.2,0,10.6,12.1,9.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Eskimo,77.2,0,2.5,20.3,0,0,0,00,0,0,0,0
    Evenks,3.9,0,84.3,9.8,0,2.0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Evens,4.6,0,26.2,15.4,0,1.5,0,0,0,0,0,52.3
    Mongols,3.9,9.7,14.6,30.1,2.9,5.8,11.7,0,1.0,3.9,7.8,8.6




    It actually works well, Dobruja and Transylvania split and shifts towards Evens, even more than Balkan Turks.
    Last edited by Kaspias; 06-21-2020 at 02:25 PM.

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2017
    Last Online
    03-23-2023 @ 10:39 AM
    Ethnicity
    Healthy human being
    Country
    Moldova
    Gender
    Posts
    5,581
    Thumbs Up
    Received: 5,505
    Given: 1,507

    1 Not allowed!

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    SS

    Code:
    Bulgarians,0,0,0,0,0,0,1.00,9.95,7.96,17.91,40.80,22.38
    Balkan_Turk,0,0,3.08,3.08,0.77,0,1.54,10.00,6.92,15.38,35.38,23.85
    Romanian_Dobruja,0,0,0,1.9,0,0,1.0,11.4,5.8,9.5,40.0,30.4
    Romanian_Moldavia,0,0,0.5,0,0,0,2.60,8.60,9.90,17.50,37.7,23.32
    Romanian_Transylvania,0.5,0,0,1.2,0,0,0,11.2,8.0,14.5,34.9,29.7
    Romanian_Wallachia,0,0,0,0,0,0,2.2,10.3,8.5,15.8,41.2,22.0
    Yakuts,2.1,0.5,44.0,30.4,4.2,6.3,2.6,1.1,1.1,1.1,2.6,4.0
    Chuvash,1.8,0,1.8,3.6,0,0,1.8,5.5,3.7,36.4,25.5,19.9
    Tatars,2.3,0,1.7,2.9,1.2,0,2.3,8.1,8.1,24.7,31.6,17.1
    Bashkirs,4.3,0,12.8,8.1,4.7,6.2,1.0,3.3,5.2,27.5,14.2,12.7
    Uighurs,7.3,7.3,1.8,16.4,0,7.3,7.3,0,1.8,16.4,20.0,14.4
    Kazakhs,9.6,5.8,7.7,19.2,5.8,1.9,5.8,0,7.7,5.7,15.4,15.4
    Kyrgyz,3.3,6.5,14.1,19.6,7.6,3.3,6.5,5.4,3.3,3.3,18.5,8.6
    Altai,3.3,3.3,30.4,9.8,4.4,5.4,9.8,5.4,0,5.4,5.4,17.4
    Shorians,0,2.4,7.1,9.5,0,43.0,2.4,11.9,0,0,21.4,2.3
    Khakassians,3.7,5.6,35.2,9.3,0,22.0,0,1.9,1.9,11.1,3.7,5.6
    Soyots,8.8,2.9,17.6,50.0,0,0,0,0,0,5.9,0,14.8
    Tuvinians,5.6,14.0,36.1,16.7,5.6,8.3,0,0,0,2.8,2.8,8.1
    Koryaks,5.2,0,36.1,1.3,41.9,0,0,0,0,0,0,15.5
    Itelmen,6.4,0,14.9,0,68.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,10.6
    Chukcha,68.2,0,10.6,12.1,9.1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Eskimo,77.2,0,2.5,20.3,0,0,0,00,0,0,0,0
    Evenks,3.9,0,84.3,9.8,0,2.0,0,0,0,0,0,0
    Evens,4.6,0,26.2,15.4,0,1.5,0,0,0,0,0,52.3
    Mongols,3.9,9.7,14.6,30.1,2.9,5.8,11.7,0,1.0,3.9,7.8,8.6




    It actually works well, Dobruja and Transylvania split and shifts towards Evens, even more than Balkan Turks.
    Medieval Dobrujans from 8th to 11th century would probably pull even closer.

    n=14

    28.6% H
    28.6% U
    14.3% N
    7.1% J
    7.1% T
    7.1% V
    7.1% R

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 64
    Last Post: 04-20-2020, 02:16 PM
  2. Replies: 65
    Last Post: 12-08-2019, 11:19 AM
  3. Replies: 116
    Last Post: 10-21-2019, 02:30 PM
  4. Is your mtDNA uniquely Balkan?
    By Peterski in forum Ethno-Cultural Discussion
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 07-08-2017, 04:55 PM
  5. Is your mtDNA uniquely Balkan?
    By Peterski in forum Genetics
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 07-08-2017, 04:55 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •