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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    Medieval Dobrujans from 8th to 11th century would probably pull even closer.

    n=14

    28.6% H
    28.6% U
    14.3% N
    7.1% J
    7.1% T
    7.1% V
    7.1% R

    Bulgarian and Wallachia clusters together as always and I took them as reference for native Balkan. Yet apparently both have a minimal amount of alien input too. It is probably better to check their results and create a pseudo-Balkan component by removing non-Balkan individuals from the average. Also, not only Transylvania and Dobruja but also Moldavia shifts from the Balkan line slightly. Anyway, I will be looking for further references to enrich this PCA, I liked the models.

    Medieval Dobruja has almost a same shift ratio as Balkan Turks, but more towards the north.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaspias View Post
    Bulgarian and Wallachia clusters together as always and I took them as reference for native Balkan. Yet apparently both have a minimal amount of alien input too. It is probably better to check their results and create a pseudo-Balkan component by removing non-Balkan individuals from the average. Also, not only Transylvania and Dobruja but also Moldavia shifts from the Balkan line slightly. Anyway, I will be looking for further references to enrich this PCA, I liked the models.

    Medieval Dobruja has almost a same shift ratio as Balkan Turks, but more towards the north.


    Transylvania includes Szeklers, so I'm guessing that's where the East Asian lineages come from. But that's a guess.

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    More Turkish than Turkey Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ion Basescul View Post
    Medieval Dobrujans from 8th to 11th century would probably pull even closer.

    n=14

    28.6% H
    28.6% U
    14.3% N
    7.1% J
    7.1% T
    7.1% V
    7.1% R
    Target: Medieval_Dobrudja
    Distance: 595.5229% / 5.95522911
    55.4 Chuvash
    43.4 Romanian_Transylvania
    1.2 Evens


    They were Magyars?
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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    Target: Medieval_Dobrudja
    Distance: 595.5229% / 5.95522911
    55.4 Chuvash
    43.4 Romanian_Transylvania
    1.2 Evens


    They were Magyars?
    Article dates to 10th century.

    900 AD



    1000 AD




    Bulgars, Uzes, Pecheneks... I don't think Chuvash is proxy only for Magyars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andre View Post
    Target: Medieval_Dobrudja
    Distance: 595.5229% / 5.95522911
    55.4 Chuvash
    43.4 Romanian_Transylvania
    1.2 Evens


    They were Magyars?
    Could have been related maybe, but these are 8 to 11th century samples.

    "Characteristic N9a HVS-I polymorphisms have been identified in three human archaeological remains from the Carpathian Basin (Hungary), initially identified as early Neolithic (then revised as Sarmatian for two of the three samples, and Hungarian Conquest period for the third one) [52, 53]. Identical HVS-I haplotype was also found in an archaeological specimen (female) from Krasnoyarsk region, Siberia, dated to the Iron Age (100–400 AD) [54]. The presence of the N9a maternal lineage in the gene pool of medieval representatives from the Southeastern region of the extra Carpathian Basin "(Dobruja) supports the idea of a “westward genetic influence of nomads from eastern Central Asia”"

    "The PCA of the 15 medieval populations considered here shows a roughly clustering between the investigated population and the Cumanians from Hungary along the PC1 and PC2 components (34.82% of the variance is displayed) "







    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...0193578#sec012
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s415...760-8#ref-CR12

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