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    Was it created with the Kievan Rus'? The Muscovy? The Tsardom?

    Were the principalities of Vladimir-Suzdal, Polotsk, Novgorod, Volhynia, Rostov, Pskov etc, Russian?
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    Kievian Rus.

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    Russia supposed to be nation of Rus people, so it should be Kievan Rus.

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    The creator was Ivan the Terrible.

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    The history of Russia can be represented in a few steps:
    1) In the lands of Eastern Europe since ancient times lived the Baltic tribes, who were primitive savages.
    2) Then there was invaded by the Scythians. The outlying tribes experienced cultural impact of the Scythians.
    3) After the Scythians got there basternae, who later were defeated by the Alans.
    4) the Invasion is ready with the coast of Pomerania and Prussia. Baltic tribes was influenced ready.
    5) Gothic Empire of Ermanaric Huns were defeated. The population of Gothia fled to the Roman Empire, and where he died of the blows of Stilikone.
    6) Gunn slaves the entire population of Eastern Europe, including the Baltic States, in the lands of Ukraine and Tatarstan made handicraft centers.
    7) the Huns were several times defeated the rebels Gepids and Ostrogoths.
    8) place the Huns penetrated Kutrigurs and Utrigrurs that for the first time tried to replace the Huns. But their forces were weak and could not long control of Eastern Europeans.
    9) invasion of the tribe of the Avars. The Avars built an Empire in the East Europe. They settled the Slavs in the vast space.
    10) the Defeat of the Avar Khaganate Charlemagne. The Slavic population of Pannonia dispersed across Ukraine, Belarus, where he lived Balts, and Finno-Ugria, where he created centers with Kiev, Novgorod, Polotsk.
    11) The Emergence Of Kievan Rus. The Norman dynasty led by Rurik. During the reign of this dynasty was accepted Orthodoxy, grammar and some Byzantine characteristics, such as the sacred status of the king.
    12) In numerous wars Kievan Rus broke up into several States. Belarus became part of Lithuania, a Galicia in Poland. On the land of the Finnic tribe of Merya emerged Russian state.
    13) Russian state in the initial stage was part of the Golden Horde, a Turkic state. Therefore, we believe they are not the direct heirs of Kyiv, which was part of Lithuania, and a descendant of the Golden Horde.

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    Current Russia emerged from the Grand Duchy of Moscow which gradually conquered other East Slavic principalities.

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    Ivan Grozny

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    The history of Russia can be represented in a few steps:
    1) In the lands of Eastern Europe since ancient times lived the Baltic tribes, who were primitive savages.
    2) Then there was invaded by the Scythians. The outlying tribes experienced cultural impact of the Scythians.
    3) After the Scythians got there basternae, who later were defeated by the Alans.
    4) the Invasion is ready with the coast of Pomerania and Prussia. Baltic tribes was influenced ready.
    5) Gothic Empire of Ermanaric Huns were defeated. The population of Gothia fled to the Roman Empire, and where he died of the blows of Stilikone.
    6) Gunn slaves the entire population of Eastern Europe, including the Baltic States, in the lands of Ukraine and Tatarstan made handicraft centers.
    7) the Huns were several times defeated the rebels Gepids and Ostrogoths.
    8) place the Huns penetrated Kutrigurs and Utrigrurs that for the first time tried to replace the Huns. But their forces were weak and could not long control of Eastern Europeans.
    9) invasion of the tribe of the Avars. The Avars built an Empire in the East Europe. They settled the Slavs in the vast space.
    10) the Defeat of the Avar Khaganate Charlemagne. The Slavic population of Pannonia dispersed across Ukraine, Belarus, where he lived Balts, and Finno-Ugria, where he created centers with Kiev, Novgorod, Polotsk.
    11) The Emergence Of Kievan Rus. The Norman dynasty led by Rurik. During the reign of this dynasty was accepted Orthodoxy, grammar and some Byzantine characteristics, such as the sacred status of the king.
    12) In numerous wars Kievan Rus broke up into several States. Belarus became part of Lithuania, a Galicia in Poland. On the land of the Finnic tribe of Merya emerged Russian state.
    13) Russian state in the initial stage was part of the Golden Horde, a Turkic state. Therefore, we believe they are not the direct heirs of Kyiv, which was part of Lithuania, and a descendant of the Golden Horde.
    Yes and who proved that these ancient "Balts" could not be called Balto-Slavs as well. Following your interpretation the Balts are whole Indo-Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlatko Vukovic View Post
    Yes and who proved that these ancient "Balts" could not be called Balto-Slavs as well. Following your interpretation the Balts are whole Indo-Europeans.
    Researchers noticed that the toponymy of Eastern Europe is not Slavic, but Baltic. For example, Moscow - Moskva, translated from Lithuanian as a swampy place. It doesn't make sense in Slavic
    The Slavs were formed inside the Avar Khaganate in Pannonia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    The history of Russia can be represented in a few steps:
    1) In the lands of Eastern Europe since ancient times lived the Baltic tribes, who were primitive savages.
    I stopped to read in here. Attitude came clear pretty well. Thank's for saving my time.

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