When was Russia created?

**blogen** · 07-04-2020, 08:23 AM

Rus = Russia. Vladimir at 988.

**Dušan** · 07-04-2020, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Aspirin

Lithuanians didn't stabbed anyone on back.

LOL

How did they conquer large territories of Kievan Russia, weakened because of Tatar-Mongols raids from the east?

Nothing of that do not belong to Lithuania ethnicly, nor either other way.

But later Lithuanians got from Russians what they deserved.

**Dušan** · 07-04-2020, 09:59 AM

Lithuania was in a good position to conquer the western and the southern parts of former Kievan Rus'. While almost every other state around it had been plundered or defeated by the Mongols, the hordes stopped at the modern borders of Belarus, and the core territory of the Grand Duchy was left mostly untouched. The weak control of the Mongols over the areas they had conquered allowed the expansion of Lithuania to accelerate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Lithuania

Bitches

**Aspirin** · 07-04-2020, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by Dušan

LOL

How did they conquer large territories of Kievan Russia, weakened because of Tatar-Mongols raids from the east?

Nothing of that do not belong to Lithuania ethnicly, nor either other way.

But later Lithuanians got from Russians what they deserved.

Most of these principalities became part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania basically voluntary. All this big territory on this map became part of Lithuania in a very short time, without to much effort, except steppe territories who became part of Lithuania after some successful campaigns against Tatars. Personaly I don't understand the hate of a Serb towards Lithuania, Lithuania in general need to be respected, who from nothing became one of the most powerful political formation in Eastern Europe for many centuries with quite tolerant position especially towards Eastern Slavs.

**~~Nykyus~~** · 07-04-2020, 10:31 AM

Russia became part of the Juchi ulus voluntarily and vice versa intensified because the Horde stopped the fratricidal war.

**Dušan** · 07-04-2020, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Aspirin

Most of these principalities became part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania basically voluntary. All this big territory on this map became part of Lithuania in a very short time, without to much effort, except steppe territories who became part of Lithuania after some successful campaigns against Tatars. Personaly I don't understand the hate of a Serb towards Lithuania, Lithuania in general need to be respected, who from nothing became one of the most powerful political formation in Eastern Europe for many centuries with quite tolerant position especially towards Eastern Slavs.

Yeah, yeah it was voluntary just like was voluntary Union of Brest, when Orthodox Slavs were forces to accept Vatican.

I dont hate them, but I dont have reason to like those slavophobic nations on Baltic that discriminate their Slavic minority citizens.

**~~Nykyus~~** · 07-04-2020, 10:42 AM

Let us give the floor to Matvey Mechowski from Poland (1517):

The Lithuanian people in the past years were considered among the Russians so dark, despicable and miserable that the Kiev princes, because of their poverty and scarcity of soil, demanded from him, and that only as a sign of humility, a tribute in the form of belts and bark. So it was until Vitenen, the leader of the Lithuanians, rebelled against the Russians and became the prince of his compatriots.

Having attacked the Russian princes with cunning, he defeated them and gradually grew stronger to the point that he subjugated them and forced them to pay the tribute that the Lithuanians themselves had paid the Russians for generations. The later successors of Vitenen made thieves, wolf-like, unexpected raids on the neighboring peoples of Russia, Prussia, Mazovia, Poland and robbed them, until finally Prince Mazowiecki Conrad called for help from the brothers of the crusaders of the Teutonic Order of St. Mary. Having conquered Prussia in continuous battles, they went to the Samagitians and Lithuanians and began to defeat them after defeat, to capture and oppress the siege. Finally, they reached the Lithuanian princes, Olgerd and Keistut.