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    renamed from Muscovy, then Grand Tartary etc.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary

    they only switch the names, was USSR and bam! Russia appeared again, it's a constant territory of specific mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sundqvist View Post
    renamed from Muscovy, then Grand Tartary etc.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Moscow
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartary

    they only switch the names, was USSR and bam! Russia appeared again, it's a constant territory of specific mind
    Cool, it is a fact that Russia was created by Vikings with considerable help of steppe chinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roy View Post
    Cool, it is a fact that Russia was created by Vikings with considerable help of steppe chinks.
    yes, compare Petersburg architecture to the Moscow one or even better - Saratov or something, yes Petersburg has "Viking" architecture, I wonder why .... "трофейне" ?

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    This, plus Greenland.


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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    What are exactly these Finno -Ugric roots ?.. Legends ? Myths ? or old written text 1500-2000 years old ?
    1) Chronicle. On the site of Novgorod lived the Finnish tribe of the Vepsа. The annals are referred to as Chud. The chronicle of the Estonians was also called a Сhud. At the place of Rostov the Great lived the Finnish tribe Merya.
    2) Archaeological site. The Finns built houses towering above the ground. Slavs of the dugout. Kiev was a city of dugouts.
    3) Veche. The national assembly of Novgorod, such as a republic, is of Finno-Ugric origin.
    4) Women's jewelry, kokoshnik, has a distinct Finnish origin. In general, the Finns, before moving to the south of modern Finland, lived in Northern Russia, but retreated under the Slavic migration, and not because of the Viking raid.


    I learned a lot from this Merya tribal sitehttp://www.merjamaa.ru. The truth is written there in Russian

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    The term Kievan Rus is a modern term used by historical science to denote this period as part of the consolidation of the many Russian principalities. In reality, a state with such a name did not exist
    The first information about a Slavic state in the Dnieper (probably Kiev) localization in Western European and Arab sources dates back to the beginning and the first third of the 9th century. From that time the ethnonym "Rus" became known. The ancient Russian state is characterized as an early feudal monarchy. The highest in it is the prince of Kiev. The state affairs are done by his family (his brothers and sons) and the family affairs. Incomes and princes are largely determined by the tax collected by their subordinate tribes. In the old chronicles Kiev was called the "mother of Russian cities", emphasizing its superiority over other settlements in ancient Russia.
    The term Kievan Rus was introduced only in the 19th century to denote the period of the existence of the East Slavic state of Rus in Eastern Europe from the end of the 9th century as a result of the transfer of its capital from Ladoga to Kiev in 882 by Oleg and unification. of the princes of the Rurik dynasty of the two main centers of the Eastern Slavs and Russians - Novgorod and Kiev (as well as the lands along the road to Byzantium), until the fall of Kiev under pressure from the Tatars. Rus / Kievan Rus / was among the largest European countries in the Middle Ages.
    In Soviet historiography there are 2 hypotheses for the formation of Kievan Rus.
    The Norman follows the text of The Tale of Bygone Years, according to which statehood was introduced by external sources - the Vikings (Rurik, Sineus and Truvor), in 862. The founders of the Norman theory are considered to be the German scholars Bayer, Miller Friedrich and August. Schlozer;
    The anti-Norman theory is based on the idea of ​​the impossibility of building a state without independent development of society, which cannot be imported from outside. The founder of this theory is Mikhail Lomonosov.
    The question of whether Rurik was the "Varyag" - the founder of a princely dynasty, what is the origin of the chronicle "Varyags", whether the name Rus is connected with them, continues to be debated in modern historical science. It was only with the development of Slavic and Cyril and Methodius studies that the contours of the formation and formation of the Great Russian nation and statehood became clear.
    The history of Rus, or as it is now called Kievan Rus, whose existence most historians define from the ninth to the beginning of the twelfth century, is divided into three stages: the first (IX - XII), covering the rule of the first Kievan princes; second (second half of X - XI), covering the reigns of Vladimir I and Yaroslav the Wise; the second (second half of the 10th-11th century) was the time of Vladimir I and Yaroslav the Wise and the third (XI - XII), defined as a transition to territorial-political fragmentation and to feudal orders.
    In the second quarter of the 12th century, Russia split into 15 independent principalities, as well as the Novgorod and Pskov republics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Modern Russia is the political continuity of GD Moscow, but Russia as an entity (Kievan Rus') is older. There is no political continuity between Kievan Rus' and modern Russia, but Kievan Rus' was also Russia and a nation for Russians/Rus' people.
    lol, no, at least people of Kievan Rus live in the area between Belarus, Ukraine and Poland

    r1a map shows it perfectly: https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...p-r1a-m417.jpg

    and the core belt of R1a is also west of Muscovy: https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/...z282-basal.jpg

    they have as much R1a people as Tartar Horde could catch them to the nets in the past or and tovarichsh Stalin replaced from Ukraine & Belarus to the deep inside USSR (tsars also did it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nykyus View Post
    1) Chronicle. On the site of Novgorod lived the Finnish tribe of the Vepsа. The annals are referred to as Chud. The chronicle of the Estonians was also called a Сhud. At the place of Rostov the Great lived the Finnish tribe Merya.
    2) Archaeological site. The Finns built houses towering above the ground. Slavs of the dugout. Kiev was a city of dugouts.
    3) Veche. The national assembly of Novgorod, such as a republic, is of Finno-Ugric origin.
    4) Women's jewelry, kokoshnik, has a distinct Finnish origin. In general, the Finns, before moving to the south of modern Finland, lived in Northern Russia, but retreated under the Slavic migration, and not because of the Viking raid.


    I learned a lot from this Merya tribal sitehttp://www.merjamaa.ru. The truth is written there in Russian

    I would like to know what is the oldest written manuscript about Finno-ugric roots...

    For example in England museum..



    •P52 The John Rylands Library Papyrus P52 (recto) contains parts of John 18:31-33. It is the earliest New Testament manuscript discovered to date.
    •P90 (P. Oxy. 3523), is a small fragment of papyrus with portions of the Gospel of John (18:36-19:7) on both sides in Greek. It has been dated paleographically to the second century A.D.4 This text is part of the Oxyrhynchus papyri, a group of manuscripts discovered in the ancient garbage dump near Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.
    •Papayrus P104 (P. Oxy. 4404) is a second-century papyrus fragment that contains Matt. 21:34-37 on the front, and traces of verses 43 and 45 on the back.5 This manuscript is 6.35 cm by 9.5cm in size.

    •P90 (P. Oxy. 3523), is a small fragment of papyrus with portions of the Gospel of John (18:36-19:7) on both sides in Greek. It has been dated paleographically to the second century A.D.4 This text is part of the Oxyrhynchus papyri, a group of manuscripts discovered in the ancient garbage dump near Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.
    •Papayrus P104 (P. Oxy. 4404) is a second-century papyrus fragment that contains Matt. 21:34-37 on the front, and traces of verses 43 and 45 on the back.5 This manuscript is 6.35 cm by 9.5cm in size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renaissance12 View Post
    I would like to know what is the oldest written manuscript about Finno-ugric roots...

    For example in England museum..



    •P52 The John Rylands Library Papyrus P52 (recto) contains parts of John 18:31-33. It is the earliest New Testament manuscript discovered to date.
    •P90 (P. Oxy. 3523), is a small fragment of papyrus with portions of the Gospel of John (18:36-19:7) on both sides in Greek. It has been dated paleographically to the second century A.D.4 This text is part of the Oxyrhynchus papyri, a group of manuscripts discovered in the ancient garbage dump near Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.
    •Papayrus P104 (P. Oxy. 4404) is a second-century papyrus fragment that contains Matt. 21:34-37 on the front, and traces of verses 43 and 45 on the back.5 This manuscript is 6.35 cm by 9.5cm in size.

    •P90 (P. Oxy. 3523), is a small fragment of papyrus with portions of the Gospel of John (18:36-19:7) on both sides in Greek. It has been dated paleographically to the second century A.D.4 This text is part of the Oxyrhynchus papyri, a group of manuscripts discovered in the ancient garbage dump near Oxyrhynchus, Egypt.
    •Papayrus P104 (P. Oxy. 4404) is a second-century papyrus fragment that contains Matt. 21:34-37 on the front, and traces of verses 43 and 45 on the back.5 This manuscript is 6.35 cm by 9.5cm in size.
    Of all the old Russian historiography, one source has been preserved. This is the "Tale of Bygone Years" by the Chronicler Nestor. The chronicle was written 300 years after the events described.
    It can be supplemented by the "Polish chronicle", which almost repeats the same information. Also the legend of the three brothers Czech, Lech and Rus. They say that the ancestral home of the Slavs is Pannonia, where Hungary is now located.
    The Danube hypothesis of the origin of the Slavs is built on it.

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    Variations of the Danube hypothesis.
    Igor Kolomiytsev. The Slavs arose during the time of the Avar Haganate, because the Slavic language did not have time to disintegrate into dialects in the 9th century, and the name of Charlemagne was included in all Slavic languages, because during his life the Slavs were not yet divided into separate tribes, but were one people. Karols (Kings) Slavs designate the kings of Western Europe.
    Nazin wrote another book. He considers the origin of the Slavs during the time of the Roman Empire, when Pannonia was part of the Roman Empire.

    Another hypothesis: the Viselo-Oder and Dnieper do not have written and legendary evidence; they arose late in the second half of the 20th century and are based on the interpretation of archaeological and genetic materials.
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