Do you consider North Africans white?

[Jon96]

I didn't mean pigmenation, I meant facial features. When I watched Giggs play on Manchester united 15 years ago I thought he was simply a European guy, I didn't think of him as mixed..
Even now I think in some pictures he passes for 100% Euro : https://assets.manutd.com/AssetPicke...9921402563.jpg

Guillaume Brenner looks way more black to me than does Ryan Giggs despite Ryan having similar pigmentation to him (or maybe Ryan is darker, idk)

Ryan Giggs is a proper quadroon, with a grandfather from West Africa.

Most ppl in your thread aren't "true quadroons" because having 25% Jamaican ancestry doesn't mean they're 25% SSA like Giggs... (Jamaicans aren't pure SSAs)
Somalis aren't 100% SSA either, so Kalvin Philips is more like an octoroon than quadroon.

I doubt Ruud Gullit's son is 25% SSA, he's probably less because he's of Surinamese origin.

Anyway, my point was avarage octoroons (and even quadroons often) don't have the look that makes people think "Wow he must be SSA admixed!", so I agreed with Petalpusher.

You don't think Quadroons and Octroons look different? A White person mixed with Black definitely doesn't look like the average white person.

Take African Americans for example. They are technically quadroons or octroons and they look slightly different from West Africans.

[Universe]

You don't think Quadroons and Octroons look different? A White person mixed with Black definitely doesn't look like the average white person.

Take African Americans for example. They are technically quadroons or octroons and they look slightly different from West Africans.

I think you misunderstood me. Which part of my post suggests I think Octoroons and quadroons don't look different?

I do think octoroons/quadroons look mixed and different from whites. However in most cases octoroons look ambiguous and you wouldn't tell they have SSA admixture, they just look "off".

Take this octoroon woman as an example : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDM5...ture=emb_title
she looks mixed, but if she said she has amerindian admixture instead of ssa people would believe it.

[jfgh676]

You don't think Quadroons and Octroons look different? A White person mixed with Black definitely doesn't look like the average white person.

Take African Americans for example. They are technically quadroons or octroons and they look slightly different from West Africans.

An Afram with 75% west african +25% euro Will not look any different from a west african from Mali. Cant really say if its the same for somebody with slightly more euro but the euro part doesnt really show in the phenotype 90% of the time

[Universe]

An Afram with 75% west african +25% euro Will not look any different from a west african from Mali. Cant really say if its the same for somebody with slightly more euro but the euro part doesnt really show in the phenotype 90% of the time

That's just an avarage. A lot of black Americans are over 90% ssa. The avarage is 75% because of mulattos and "lightskins" who pull the avarage SSA % down. There's this notion that if you see a random dark skin afram he has to be 25% Euro, that's a myth.

[Hasien]

I never pretended to be "white" or "brown" I simply don't identify with such ridiculous terms


I never met any north african who see himself as white/european nor "brown". We view ourselves as simply north africans or as arabs/berbers that's it.

I was just being sarcastic and not being serious the thruth my friend you can Identify all what you want most people are not born being anthrotards observing every facial feature to categorized you.


In my personal case I dont see myself as white or brown I have a different perspective when I think of a full brown person.

[Jon96]

That's just an avarage. A lot of black Americans are over 90% ssa. The avarage is 75% because of mulattos and "lightskins" who pull the avarage SSA % down. There's this notion that if you see a random dark skin afram he has to be 25% Euro, that's a myth.

According to literally every study, very few Aframs have 90+ percent African specially in places where slavery was very common.

[Jon96]

An Afram with 75% west african +25% euro Will not look any different from a west african from Mali. Cant really say if its the same for somebody with slightly more euro but the euro part doesnt really show in the phenotype 90% of the time

"An Afram with 75% west african +25% euro Will not look any different from a west african from Mali."
25 percent definitely impacts phenotype bro.

[jfgh676]

"An Afram with 75% west african +25% euro Will not look any different from a west african from Mali."
25 percent definitely impacts phenotype bro.

The results of the black women are not even that uncommon there are hundreds of videos where aframs get 25% in autosomal test and look a 100% nigerian or ghanean (start watching at 7 minutes)

[luc2112]

I didn't mean pigmenation, I meant facial features. When I watched Giggs play on Manchester united 15 years ago I thought he was simply a European guy, I didn't think of him as mixed..
Even now I think in some pictures he passes for 100% Euro : https://assets.manutd.com/AssetPicke...9921402563.jpg

Guillaume Brenner looks way more black to me than does Ryan Giggs despite Ryan having similar pigmentation to him (or maybe Ryan is darker, idk)

Ryan Giggs is a proper quadroon, with a grandfather from West Africa.

Most ppl in your thread aren't "true quadroons" because having 25% Jamaican ancestry doesn't mean they're 25% SSA like Giggs... (Jamaicans aren't pure SSAs)
Somalis aren't 100% SSA either, so Kalvin Philips is more like an octoroon than quadroon.

I doubt Ruud Gullit's son is 25% SSA, he's probably less because he's of Surinamese origin.

Anyway, my point was avarage octoroons (and even quadroons often) don't have the look that makes people think "Wow he must be SSA admixed!", so I agreed with Petalpusher.

It is SSA Senegabian or Yoruba that are caucasoid/dolichocephalic is easier to dilute:





Brazilian Angolan bantoid is much more visible (skin color is not necessarily a determining factor)

[Jon96]

The results of the black women are not even that uncommon there are hundreds of videos where aframs get 25% in autosomal test and look a 100% nigerian or ghanean (start watching at 7 minutes)

Why are you judging by a few videos? Look at South Italians, Gypsy's, Jews, Zoroastrians, Carribeans, Baloch, Siddis, quadroons in Latam. I could go on and on. Many Latin Americans have that much admixture and they look different for sure.

1/3-1/4 definitely impacts phenotype ON AVERAGE.

https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/com...can_americans/
Most people agree.