Do you consider North Africans white?

[Synapsid]

That's ridiculous these "iberian" farmers were themselves invaders in iberia and directly came from anatolia ...also what should we say about capsians (proto-berbers) ? AFAIK they came from the levant.

They are anatolians are drifted and have some WHG admixture, so they are EEF.

[Rocinante]

They are anatolians are drifted and have some WHG admixture, so they are EEF.

Actually the difference between a pure neolithic farmer and a real EEF is that, the WHG admixture in EEFs, but it should be used as a pure neolithic farmer concept. For example, the Starcevo culture, were EEF but with WHG.

[Synapsid]

Actually the difference between a pure neolithic farmer and a real EEF is that, the WHG admixture in EEFs, but it should be used as a pure neolithic farmer concept. For example, the Starcevo culture, were EEF but with WHG.

Yes, and genetic drift aswell. Most farmer ancestry in pure berbers is EEF

[Rocinante]

Yes, and genetic drift aswell. Most farmer ancestry in pure berbers is EEF

I can see that, they have EEF from neolithic expansion and a small portion from the iberians, and the ELF (Natufian) from the arab expansion.

[Synapsid]

I can see that, they have EEF from neolithic expansion and a small portion from the iberians, and the ELF (Natufian) from the arab expansion.

Actually Natufians have Iberomuarasian and Levant ancestry in North Africans is old, its associated with Capsian culture and the introduction of Berber languages

[Nassbean]

Didn't you say before that coastal North Africans have significant Spanish admixture from the Spanish Muslims that got expelled? How much Spanish admixture do they have? And you said they're around 10% Arab as well IIRC.

no I said most of it is old and the rest (for certain maghrebis) also came from these morisco refugees and many ancient north africans were even more middle eastern than me lol it's just some specific areas that were affected genetically by arabs (but nothing big except in eastern libya)

[Nassbean]

No it's 20%, you don't read this data correctly. It's even 25% in Morocco.

There are other components embedding SSA here than just Yoruba. Please don't waste my time with a 10y old discussion again.
Having such variation in people living together wouldn't make sense, it would mean they don't reproduce..
In same way they have more WHG but it's embedded elsewhere.

you can put all the SSA sources you want they will still score in average 5-10% You're probably confused by ANA admixture in iberomaursians

[Nassbean]

They're not white-skinned either. They're beige-skinned. And beige is closer to brown than to white.

most people in this pic have the same skin tone as south euros btw

[Ion Basescul]

North Africa, from Morocco to Egypt, has a rich history (I even play with the Moors in CK2 sometimes) so I did not realise their complex of inferiority towards Europeans until I visited this forum.
I guess the Reconquista left a psychological scar in addition to territorial reclamations.

[Rocinante]

Talking about negro scores in moroccans, they are huge differences between north, average and south:

Target: Moroccan_South
Distance: 1.7405% / 0.01740533
31.6 Iberomaurusian
31.4 Early_European_Farmer
26.6 Sub-Saharan
5.2 Early_Levantine_Farmer
5.2 Western_Steppe_Herder

Target: Moroccan
Distance: 1.8815% / 0.01881491
32.0 Early_European_Farmer
25.4 Iberomaurusian
17.4 Early_Levantine_Farmer
14.0 Sub-Saharan
6.4 Western_Steppe_Herder
4.4 Iran_Neolithic
0.4 Satsurblia_Cluster

Target: Moroccan_North
Distance: 1.8003% / 0.01800304
43.4 Early_European_Farmer
29.4 Iberomaurusian
8.6 Western_Steppe_Herder
7.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
6.4 Sub-Saharan
2.2 Iran_Neolithic
1.6 Western_Hunter-Gatherer
0.6 Satsurblia_Cluster

Morocco is a country with an interesing genetical gradient between north and south.