Across Europe, do the wealthier classes tend to be lighter-haired/eyed than the poorer classes?

[Tooting Carmen]

That yes but only among certain circles/communities mostly in some major urban areas and in a few fisherman communities. Not among the bulk of the working class or the countryside folks.

Whether they are mostly blonde or brunette, the point is I bet the elites of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Albania or Greece extremely rarely would look like Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Alessandro Nesta or Fabio Quagliarella, whereas lower down the social scale such types are easily 10-15% of the population. (In some regions maybe more).

[The Lawspeaker]

In France, not at all.

In fact it's maybe the contrary, see French presidents or politicians, they aren't as light on average as the population.

Same here.

[ioan assen]

Not in Bulgaria. Here you have Slavic looking Bulgarians and Mediterranean looking Bulgarians and there is no connection between lightness and wealth...

[Universe]

Whether they are mostly blonde or brunette, the point is I bet the elites of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Albania or Greece extremely rarely would look like Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Alessandro Nesta or Fabio Quagliarella, whereas lower down the social scale such types are easily 10-15% of the population. (In some regions maybe more).

"Born in Arenys de Mar, Barcelona, Catalonia,[4][5] to Francesc Fàbregas Sr., who runs a property company, and Núria Soler, the owner of a pastry company, "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesc_F%C3%A0bregas


As for Italy, they have a poor south and rich north, so Duffman's theory could be true in Italy's case.
However France and Germany southern regions tend to be richer than northern regions. In Hungary the low class is darker but only because of gypsies, when it comes to "white hungarians" I didn't notice a correlation between wealth/class and pigmentation, maybe Blondie or other countrymen of mine have different opinion.

[mitalit]

No, I would say that for tv programs (not series or movies) even is the opposite.

[JamesBond007]

In another thread, I noticed Spanish user Duffmann said in passing that, even in Europe - let alone South Asia or Latin America - the wealthier classes tend to be fairer in pigmentation than the poorer classes. Is this true?

You mean blonde hair blue eyes, right ? Not say red hair and green eyes like Queen Elizabeth the I am assuming :


There are no upper classes in power anymore the middle classes or bourgeoisie deposed of the aristocracy. Anyway, isn't what you are describing Nazism or almost like it ? What you are describing is not 'European' but specifically German and and more specifically confined to racist middle class English tinker nobility that is where the phenomenon is found today :

My views on Nazism are well known. Nazism was a peasant movement populated by the worst in German peasant scum. Its “Aryan” philosophy and aspirations were a complete joke, and its blind devotion to nationalistic jingoism was the height of psychological blindness and wishful thinking. You can’t make genetic Aryans – a race of kings – out of a nation of genetic turnip-peasants --prince Nicholas De Vere Von Drakenberg.

In the 20th century the audacity of usurpation continues when the ignorant middle-classes, shopkeepers and their ignorant shopkeeper sons, join groups of white supremacists who idolize the image of the blond haired, blue eyed Aryan.

This particular genotype, the warrior, who also occupied the middle class or caste, seems naturally to appeal to this middle class today, who unaware of the fact that Aryans had red hair and green eyes, as a result of their lack of education and intelligence, have elevated the usurping warrior to the status of a true Aryan king when in reality the blond haired blue eyed ideal, so beloved of the Germans and for good reason, was bred, like your average white racist today, to be as thick as a plank.

A warrior could never have manifest the attributes of Aryan kingship in a million years. Kingship took spirit, wisdom and brains. The blonde warrior had none of these qualities and wasn’t bred to have. In the feudal period the warrior was called a baron which stemmed from the earlier Latin word baro which was in circulation at a time which was contemporary with the rise of the warrior classes. Baro literally means ’thickhead’... -- prince Nicholas De Vere Von Drakenberg

[mitalit]

Whether they are mostly blonde or brunette, the point is I bet the elites of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Albania or Greece extremely rarely would look like Alvaro Arbeloa, Cesc Fabregas, Alessandro Nesta or Fabio Quagliarella, whereas lower down the social scale such types are easily 10-15% of the population. (In some regions maybe more).

they are not especially light

[Synapsid]

In another thread, I noticed Spanish user Duffmann said in passing that, even in Europe - let alone South Asia or Latin America - the wealthier classes tend to be fairer in pigmentation than the poorer classes. Is this true?

You know here in Engand, the upper generally look more Continental or Western European (even SW/Pesudo-Iberian, think of Atkins or Sean Conway, very upper class looks) than the lighter Anglo Saxon/Frisian/Light celtic types. There is a saying, 'you look norman'. When the Normans invaded in 1066, they brought with them their feudal order which did existed in Post Carolengian W. europe, where the non-thegn Anglo Saxons of England where dispossessed of their lands and forced free English farmers who farmed in the Anglo Saxon system of the Hind and 'Hundereds' in serfdom (causing rebellions esp in the North resulting in the Harrowing of the North). Sure, the Normans were initially Norwegians who were similar looking to British Isles folk, but the Normans in france were cultured in Romano-Gallic ways, and had many other non-Germanic families under their wing, so they naturally became the elites of Medieval England till the reformation and even post reformation. If you look at the stereotype of the working class guy or Chav, its a pale skin or pink skin light guy with a bizz haircut with botbelly coming out of a pub speaking Cockney or northern accent living in middlesbrough, while the stereotype of an English upper class is sultry continental looking guy living in SW England. You should know that tooting.

[Synapsid]

I wish the Normans never invaded, England today would be more Scando/Nordic like. there was no feudalism in England, all were yoeman farmers and freemen. They reduced the Englishman to a semi slave

[Finnish Swede]

One can be rich, famous .... and still desparately (secretly) dreaming about being ''whiter / lighter''. I doubt he is the only one.

Money is not all ...