N2 in ethnic Serbs

[vbnetkhio]

This map is from a topic in the poreklo forum, the discussion is in Serbian.

This is about its distribution, but when searching for its origins we have to rule out Balkan areas that it was spread later and try to connect it with an asiatic tribe during the Middle Ages, maybe Avars, some other tribe that went unrecorded or even some persons that came as part of another group in the northern Balkans.

this is an "interpolation map"

each of those black dots represent a dna study, and the purple areas and the percentages are predicted by an algorithm based on those few studies.
as you can see there are no dots in Albania and Macedonia so that's just the algorithms guessing.
also you can see for Croatia the percentage for the whole country is predicted based just on the Serb-populated areas.

In actual studies on Croats it was found only in the West (Rijeka region) with 1-2%, and virtually absent in the rest of the country.

[Shubotai]

Yes, it mostly shows in Chakavian area but even there I think it's from ethnic Serbs from Republika Srpska. Within this community though, I believe its ultimate origin is attributed in North Montenegro. Vojvodina might also be a key region in how it came to Serbs initially.

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, it mostly shows in Chakavian area but even there I think it's from ethnic Serbs from Republika Srpska. Within this community though, I believe its ultimate origin is attributed in North Montenegro.

Yes, in Serbs and their neighbours it's all from the Banjani tribe, which was founded in the late medieval times, and expanded and migrated around since.
It ultimately comes down to just one mediaval man who lived in that area (the founder of the tribe).

The question is how he got there.

[vbnetkhio]

btw, there was a N2 sample in Iron age Hungary , but it's too low quality to predict if it's also Y6503.

[vbnetkhio]

^this is the most up to date map.
the green points are single samples.

[CommonSense]

Judging by the origin of the present-day carriers, this branch was probably spread by early Indo-Europeans.

[Dick]

Judging by the origin of the present-day carriers, this branch was probably spread by early Indo-Europeans.

Or perhaps illyrianz. There was a supposed female Illyrian kit with low snps that was deleted from gedmatch that came out as Finnish arctic or something. Maybe vbnetkio knows

[CommonSense]

Or perhaps illyrianz. There was a supposed female Illyrian kit with low snps that was deleted from gedmatch that came out as Finnish arctic or something. Maybe vbnetkio knows

I meant in general. I'd assume they branched off in three groups from the Black Sea area - one went to western Europe, the other to the Balkans and the third to the Middle East. Illyrians were the only Indo-European group that we know in this part of the Balkans, meaning they may as well have been the ones to bring it here.

[Dick]

I meant in general. I'd assume they branched off in three groups from the Black Sea area - one went to western Europe, the other to the Balkans and the third to the Middle East. Illyrians were the only Indo-European group that we know in this part of the Balkans, meaning they may as well have been the ones to bring it here.

Anything is possible to find In the Dinaric mountains even pyramids. This dude was obviously a unicorn and a pro fucker.

[Shubotai]

The best linguistic match seems to be the East Herzegovinian dialect.

And there is a word for horse in some slavic and ugric languages, losh, that can not be traced back to any known language family and could have come from the Botai culture.