Is E-V13 a white and european haplogroup?

[Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas]

The E-V13 clade is European.

All haplogroups have the same source, it just depends how further you want to go down the ladder until you reach the foundational haplogroup A, which most scientists tend to attribute its possible place of origin in Africa.

[Rocinante]

Loki should ban Rocinante for low-brow trolling of Ev13.

No bro, not trolling. Someone bumped this old thread, but i am not trolling actually.

[Hulu]

No bro, not trolling. Someone bumped this old thread, but i am not trolling actually.

Not only is European, it could be North European in origin, or WHG your favorite people.

This is my yfull tree

YFull YTree v8.07.00 View: scientific newchart new YTree statisticsArchive SEARCH
HomeA0-TA1A1bBTCTDEEE-M5479E-P147E-P177E-M215E-M35E-L539E-M78E-Z1919E-L618E-V13E-Z1057E-CTS1273E-BY3880E-Z5018E-S2979E-FGC11457

E-FGC11450Y15156/FGC11450formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
id:ERS255992ITA [IT-CA]i
E-FGC11450*
id:YF71975
E-Y17356Y17746 * Y17747 * Y41980+1 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 2600 ybpinfo
E-Y17356*
id:YF67005USA [US-NC]
E-Y17350Y17354 * Y17353 * Y17351+9 SNPsformed 2600 ybp, TMRCA 400 ybpinfo
id:YF04240NOR [NO-15]
id:YF02176NOR [NO-06]
E-Y58870BY4991 * BY4992 * BY4998+6 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1350 ybpinfo
id:SRS6609010HUN [HU-FE]inew
E-Y58870*
E-BY4994BY4994 * BY5002formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybpinfo
id:YF15842DEU [DE-SH]
id:YF03872DEU [DE-SH]
E-Y173822PH345 * Y173821 * Y173822+15 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1200 ybpinfo
E-Y173822*
id:YF63834ALB
E-FT184022FT184022 * FT185295 * FT186102+5 SNPs
E-Y111116Y173858 * Y173911 * Y173918+6 SNPsformed 1200 ybp, TMRCA 350 ybpinfo
id:YF63744ALB
E-Y146086Y146086formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-Y146086*
E-BY68094BY161945 * BY68094 * FT83823formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-BY68094*
id:YF16034RUS
E-SK151BY160987 * BY161050 * BY161201+18 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 300 ybpinfo
id:YF68135FIN [FI-IS]
id:YF15584FIN [FI-ES]
E-Y140828BY142721 * Y146085 * Y146087+8 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 550 ybpinfo
id:YF13345
E-ZS1176ZS1176/FGC11444 * FGC476formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-ZS1176*
id:YF18795AUT [AT-3]
id:YF13686BGR [BG-06]
E-FGC11447FGC11446 * FGC11447formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-FGC11447*
id:YF72213RUS [RU-RYA]
id:YF04867DEU
id:YF04017POL [PL-PD]
E-Z38485Y16160 * Y16270 * Y16264+9 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1750 ybpinfo
E-Z38485*
id:YF03342SCT
E-Y45760BY4975 * BY4977 * BY4978+9 SNPsformed 1750 ybp, TMRCA 350 ybpinfo
id:YF70720SWE [SE-E]i
id:YF14224SWE [SE-T]
id:YF03704SWE [SE-E]i

[Rocinante]

Not only is European, it could be North European in origin, or WHG your favorite people.

This is my yfull tree

YFull YTree v8.07.00 View: scientific newchart new YTree statisticsArchive SEARCH
HomeA0-TA1A1bBTCTDEEE-M5479E-P147E-P177E-M215E-M35E-L539E-M78E-Z1919E-L618E-V13E-Z1057E-CTS1273E-BY3880E-Z5018E-S2979E-FGC11457

E-FGC11450Y15156/FGC11450formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
id:ERS255992ITA [IT-CA]i
E-FGC11450*
id:YF71975
E-Y17356Y17746 * Y17747 * Y41980+1 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 2600 ybpinfo
E-Y17356*
id:YF67005USA [US-NC]
E-Y17350Y17354 * Y17353 * Y17351+9 SNPsformed 2600 ybp, TMRCA 400 ybpinfo
id:YF04240NOR [NO-15]
id:YF02176NOR [NO-06]
E-Y58870BY4991 * BY4992 * BY4998+6 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1350 ybpinfo
id:SRS6609010HUN [HU-FE]inew
E-Y58870*
E-BY4994BY4994 * BY5002formed 1350 ybp, TMRCA 900 ybpinfo
id:YF15842DEU [DE-SH]
id:YF03872DEU [DE-SH]
E-Y173822PH345 * Y173821 * Y173822+15 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1200 ybpinfo
E-Y173822*
id:YF63834ALB
E-FT184022FT184022 * FT185295 * FT186102+5 SNPs
E-Y111116Y173858 * Y173911 * Y173918+6 SNPsformed 1200 ybp, TMRCA 350 ybpinfo
id:YF63744ALB
E-Y146086Y146086formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-Y146086*
E-BY68094BY161945 * BY68094 * FT83823formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-BY68094*
id:YF16034RUS
E-SK151BY160987 * BY161050 * BY161201+18 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 300 ybpinfo
id:YF68135FIN [FI-IS]
id:YF15584FIN [FI-ES]
E-Y140828BY142721 * Y146085 * Y146087+8 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 550 ybpinfo
id:YF13345
E-ZS1176ZS1176/FGC11444 * FGC476formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-ZS1176*
id:YF18795AUT [AT-3]
id:YF13686BGR [BG-06]
E-FGC11447FGC11446 * FGC11447formed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 3300 ybpinfo
E-FGC11447*
id:YF72213RUS [RU-RYA]
id:YF04867DEU
id:YF04017POL [PL-PD]
E-Z38485Y16160 * Y16270 * Y16264+9 SNPsformed 3300 ybp, TMRCA 1750 ybpinfo
E-Z38485*
id:YF03342SCT
E-Y45760BY4975 * BY4977 * BY4978+9 SNPsformed 1750 ybp, TMRCA 350 ybpinfo
id:YF70720SWE [SE-E]i
id:YF14224SWE [SE-T]
id:YF03704SWE [SE-E]i

Actually, my favorite people are the EEFs, not the WHG, but it might be yours, trying to associate your test with them. It is your problem, not mine.

[Hulu]

Actually, my favorite people are the EEFs, not the WHG, but it might be yours, trying to associate your test with them. It is your problem, not mine.

I'm not gonna dig up your posts but pretty sure you posted that somewhere. Or the similar in several posts. This whole thread is in that vein.

[Rocinante]

I'm not gonna dig up your posts but pretty sure you posted that somewhere. Or the similar in several posts. This whole thread is in that vein.

According to you, i posted somewhere that my favorite people were the WHG... Interesting. Did you know that i trolled haplogroup I too, right? Also R1a, J2, Q, etc. So don't feel so important because you are E-V13.

[Adamm]

E-V13 heatmap:



Its most likely that E-V13 mutation occurred in Europe.

[ShieldWolf]

E-V13 most likely arose in Central or Eastern Europe. If not, it probably originated in the Levant.

E-V13 at Eupedia:

"At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans around the time that they were leaving the Pontic Steppe to invade the rest of Europe."

"The testing of ancient DNA from the Natufian culture (Mesolithic Levant) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic Levant confirmed a high incidence of haplogroup E1b1b in that region."

[Caballero]

E-V13 specifically is European. It likely originated in Europe, and its distribution is European. Of course its parent is North African, but that is much older.

What is your E-V13 subclade btw?

[Cristiano viejo]

Negro or moorish?

Negro I think.

Loki should ban Rocinante for low-brow trolling of Ev13.

You should respect the opinion of those who indeed think e1b1 is African. How not, if comes from there??