The Democrats in the 2020 Elections

[The Lawspeaker]

If that is the goal of Social Democracy, they are doing a terrible job for about 100 years in Sweden.

Au contraire. They are doing a marvellous job. It's effectively a one-party-state with the other parties completely beholden to their agenda and the differences are just fake. There is no real opposition party in Sweden -- not even the SD.

[Cernunnos]

They just use the path of subversion rather than revolution. The old establishment was terrified of a revolution so they were armed to the teeth and the army was ready and waiting - but they looked away from the social democrats who they perceived to be as an "enemy" of Marxism and thus a "parliamentary ally" - not understanding that the fall-out between the two was mere window-dressing and that the social democrats were ready to stab the knife into society's back.

Social Democrats in Sweden first came to power via democratic elections in 1917 (!!!!), from 1932 to 1976 they were always in power and won every single election. I think what are you trying to say is the consequences and the cultural effects of the spirit of counterculture of the 60's in the US and specialy the may of 68 in Europe, that led to birth of modern day Left Wing libertarianism "It is forbiden to forbid". Sweden only started to change it's society via massive immigration in the 80's by the hand of Olof Palme, who was very influenced by the Civil Rights movement.

Social Democracy is part of Marxism, but it is the least Marxist of all ideologies. Modern day Social Democratic parties or even Social Liberal (Keynesian) have adopted essentialy support for the social issues like BLM, LGBT rights, abortion in order to capture a part of electors all over the west (particularly young adults/millenials) who usualy vote in parties to the Left of mainstream Social Democrat and Keynesian ones.

[The Lawspeaker]

Social Democrats in Sweden first came to power via democratic elections in 1917 (!!!!), from 1932 to 1976 they were always in power and won every single election. I think what are you trying to say is the consequences and the cultural effects of the spirit of counterculture of the 60's in the US and specialy the may of 68 in Europe, that led to birth of modern day Left Wing libertarianism "It is forbiden to forbid". Sweden only started to change it's society via massive immigration in the 80's by the hand of Olof Palme, who was very influenced by the Civil Rights movement.

Social Democracy is part of Marxism, but it is the least Marxist of all ideologies. Modern day Social Democratic parties or even Social Liberal (Keynesian) have adopted essentialy support for the social issues like BLM, LGBT rights, abortion in order to capture a part of electors all over the west (particularly young adults/millenials) who usualy vote in parties to the Left of mainstream Social Democrat and Keynesian ones.

Did you also look up the role played by the Social Democrats before the 1970s ? Let me show you:



The subtitles are English.

00:00:00 - Prolog
00:03:38 - Rasbiologi
00:23:06 - Nazisterna
00:43:26 - Judarna
01:08:55 - Tandexperimenten
01:19:34 - Tvångssteriliseringarna

I 100 år har Socialdemokraterna varit Sveriges största och mest inflytelserika politiska parti. Lika länge har Socialdemokraterna också lyckats hålla sin historia borta från skolböcker och den offentliga debatten. Därför är det inte konstigt att så få känner till Socialdemokraternas historiska grund. Många gånger vet inte ens partiets egna företrädare på vilken historisk grund partiet vilar. Socialdemokraterna har en unik ställning i svensk historia. Inget annat svenskt parti har haft sådan makt och inflytande över det svenska samhället och vår befolkning. Inget annat svenskt parti har kontrollerat och censurerat media i den omfattning som Socialdemokraterna har gjort. Inget annat svenskt parti har gjort rasbiologi till en vetenskap och delat upp befolkningen efter ras samt genomfört medicinska experiment på hjälplösa patienter. Inget annat svenskt parti har systematiskt tvångssteriliserat sin egen befolkning. Inget annat svenskt parti har i så hög grad hjälpt Nazityskland samtidigt som man aktivt förvägrat judar på flykt en fristad. Inget annat svenskt parti har i sådan utsträckning berövat kvinnor möjligheten att sätta barn till världen. Det här är historien om Socialdemokraterna, så som den aldrig berättats förut.

[Cernunnos]

Did you even know that at the verge of the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact between 1987 and 1991, within our local Communist party there were a lot of divisions because there was a Orthodox wing (the main one, who eventualy won this internal affair) and a more reformist one.

The reformists wanted to change the Communist Party to a more modern vision of left wing parties at the time, the main faction (lead by Alvaro Cunhal) wanted the party the stay as a Marxist Leninist party.

There was a PCP congress, where reformists condemned the discrimination of homosexuals in the USSR and even against homosexual members in the Portuguese Communist Party, Alvaro Cunhal the historial leader of PCP answered those claims with a clear and short answer: "Homosexuality is a very sad thing, it's a bourgeoisie evil and a Capitalist trap to undermine the party and Socialism"...

[The Lawspeaker]

Did you even know that at the verge of the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw pact between 1987 and 1991, within our local Communist party there were a lot of divisions because there was a Orthodox wing (the main one, who eventualy won this internal affair) and a more reformist one.

The reformists wanted to change the Communist Party to a more modern vision of left wing parties at the time, the main faction (lead by Alvaro Cunhal) wanted the party the stay as a Marxist Leninist party.

There was a PCP congress, where reformists condemned the discrimination of homosexuals in the USSR and even against homosexual members in the Portuguese Communist Party, Alvaro Cunhal the historial leader of PCP answered those claims with a clear and short answer: "Homosexuality is a very sad thing, it's a bourgeoisie evil and a Capitalist trap to undermine the party and Socialism"...

In English this is known as "putting up an act".

[Cernunnos]

In English this is known as "putting up an act".

Yeah, they were all pretending..... Like the Soviet Union did never hide the fact that for example Tchaikovski was a homosexual, or that the Soviet and post Soviet society was extremely conservative when it regards to Social Issues. Well Russia is still a major example of that.

[Tooting Carmen]

Yeah, they were all pretending..... Like the Soviet Union did never hide the fact that for example Tchaikovski was a homosexual, or that the Soviet and post Soviet society was extremely conservative when it regards to Social Issues. Well Russia is still a major example of that.

I have a thread that discusses this: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...ltural-sense-)

[Sebastianus Rex]

Btw, Sebastianus Rex himself has drifted noticeably rightwards since coming back to the forum. Look at what he voted for and wrote here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5654214

And before people think I am some sort of Stalinist/Maoist, here is what I wrote in the same thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5654125

I don't see the incoherence, strategic resources to be controled by the state and unable to be alienated to foreign interests (control can be regulation btw) and evidently the military, the big difference is that I also advocate the right of citizens to be armed.

Mixed public and private education and healthcare systems are a reasonable temporary solution, by public I don't mean they have to be completely free, on the contrary, you pay for them you have the right to use them. They should be presented as a matter of choice not an universal right that only a few pay for.

Now behave yourself and don't act like a little butthurt snitch trying to trap me.

[pulstar]

All communists, without exceptions, are bandits or nurture bandit-like behaviour. Each country that faced communism felt that.

[Tooting Carmen]

I don't see the incoherence, strategic resources to be controled by the state and unable to be alienated to foreign interests (control can be regulation btw) and evidently the military (the difference is that I also advicate the right of citizens to be armed).

Mixed public and private education and healthcare systems are a reasonable temporary solution, by public I don't mean they have to be completely free, on the contrary, you pay for them you have the right to use them. They should be presented as a matter of choice not an universal right that only a few pay for.

Now behave yourself and don't act like a little butthurt snitch trying to trap me.

and to have

Well in Anglo-American politics, state ownership is usually seen as a hallmark of the Left, whereas the Right usually favours private provision. (But as I also already acknowledged in that thread, perhaps things are different in the politics of both Continental Europe and Latin America). Even in our current health/economic crisis, only the railways have been temporarily re-nationalised by the Tory government, whereas buses, airlines, utilities and strategic industries have not.

And no, I am not trying to snitch or trap you. I am just baffled at your libertarian rhetoric which contradicts stuff you have previously said, at least in spirit if not in content.