The Democrats in the 2020 Elections

[Sebastianus Rex]

There aren't. The two main types of Communism are Marxism-Leninism, which advocates for a 100% nationalised command economy, and Anarcho-Communism, where everything is owned by communes and cooperatives. This is neither. It is just a pragmatic move to increase the State's revenue for necessary spending and projects. The Cold War ended three decades ago. Move on.

LOLOLOL!! That's why soft communist strategies work so much better than bolshevism. You are currently an useful idiot and you don't even realize it.

[Sebastianus Rex]

LOL you actually believe that? The rich NEVER close tax "loopholes", they create more. Dumb.

They just tax grandpa's savings and call it social justice.

[Tooting Carmen]

LOLOLOL!! That's why soft communist strategies work so much better than bolshevism. You are currently an useful idiot and you don't even realize it.

Not only are you insulting decent social democrats, you are also insulting people who lived and suffered through actual Communist regimes. Tell me, do you consider universal healthcare, universal education, sickness and unemployment benefits, social housing etc. to be 'Communism' too???

[Sebastianus Rex]

Not only are you insulting decent social democrats, you are also insulting people who lived and suffered through actual Communist regimes. Tell me, do you consider universal healthcare, universal education, sickness and unemployment benefits, social housing etc. to be 'Communism' too???

Social democracy is a Marxist faction, if you had studied the history of Communism/marxism you wouldn't even debate it.

You know who were Eduard Bernstein or Rosa Luxembourg? Social Democracy (aka social democratic marxism) is just a transitional/intermediary stage of the communist (soft) revolution, another mean to an end. "Decent social democrats" are useful idiots, sorry to destroy your touching naïve beliefs.

[Tooting Carmen]

Social democracy is a Marxist faction, if you had studied the history of Communism/marxism you wouldn't even debate it.

You know who were Eduard Bernstein or Rosa Luxembourg? Social Democracy (aka social democratic marxism) is just a transitional/intermediary stage of the communist (soft) revolution, another mean to an end. "Decent social democrats" are useful idiots, sorry to destroy your touching naïve beliefs.

Actually no, social democrats and Marxists don't get along, precisely because the latter regard the former as too 'reformist' and 'mainstream'. And you still haven't answered my question.

[AdrianV]

Not only are you insulting decent social democrats, you are also insulting people who lived and suffered through actual Communist regimes. Tell me, do you consider universal healthcare, universal education, sickness and unemployment benefits, social housing etc. to be 'Communism' too???

If Healthcare and Education are state controlled (they do not allow alternatives) that is commie. Temporary sickness unemployment is OK. What is social housing, free stuff?

[AdrianV]

Not only are you insulting decent social democrats, you are also insulting people who lived and suffered through actual Communist regimes. Tell me, do you consider universal healthcare, universal education, sickness and unemployment benefits, social housing etc. to be 'Communism' too???

If Healthcare and Education are state controlled (they do not allow alternatives) that is commie. Temporary sickness unemployment is OK. What is social housing, free stuff?

[Tooting Carmen]

If Healthcare and Education are state controlled (they do not allow alternatives) that is commie. Temporary sickness unemployment is OK. What is social housing, free stuff?

But if private provision is allowed for healthcare and education too, that is OK isn't it? By social housing, I mean council housing, where you pay your local council rent.

[Cernunnos]

Social democracy is a Marxist faction, if you had studied the history of Communism/marxism you wouldn't even debate it.

You know who were Eduard Bernstein or Rosa Luxembourg? Social Democracy (aka social democratic marxism) is just a transitional/intermediary stage of the communist (soft) revolution, another mean to an end. "Decent social democrats" are useful idiots, sorry to destroy your touching naïve beliefs.

Rosa Luxembourg split from the SPD to form the Spartacus League. The SPD is the oldest still in active Marxist party in the world, it had at the time of Rosa Luxembourg, a Moderate wing composed similar to modern European/EU Social Democratic parties and a revolutionary/bolshevik faction composed lead by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg.

Spartacus League would be the core movement that lead to the origin of the KPD (German Communist Party).

Modern day Social Democracy has origins in the theories of Karl Kautsky, that just took away the Revolutionary methods of Marx, Engels and Lenin and developed a more distributionist way of economy.

It does not support the Proletariat Dictatorship, colectivization or massive colectivization, workers self management of factories/stores/businesses, nationalization of the economy....

Social Democracy does not intend to end with Capitalism. See the examples of Sweden and other nordic countries.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Actually no, social democrats and Marxists don't get along, precisely because the latter regard the former as too 'reformist' and 'mainstream'.

They get along very well to undermine democratic and capitalistic systems, they play on the same team. They just don't get along about the methods to achieve power but that is also part of the master strategy. Bottom line, social democracy opens the way to communism, in the long term that is the desired effect.

And you still haven't answered my question.

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Those have been corrupted and used as "Trojan Horses" of the communist strategy, make the citizens increasingly dependent of the statized economy/nanny state and devaluate work/private initiative by taxing them to death. Then you have the so desired effect, a large portion of the (sate dependent) population will revolt against measures to make them contribute also. See how you perpetuate the "class struggle" narrative ?