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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Rosa Luxembourg split from the SPD to form the Spartacus League. The SPD is the oldest still in active Marxist party in the world, it had at the time of Rosa Luxembourg, a Moderate wing composed similar to modern European/EU Social Democratic parties and a revolutionary/bolshevik faction composed lead by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg.

    Spartacus League would be the core movement that lead to the origin of the KPD (German Communist Party).

    Modern day Social Democracy has origins in the theories of Karl Kautsky, that just took away the Revolutionary methods of Marx, Engels and Lenin and developed a more distributionist way of economy.

    It does not support the Proletariat Dictatorship, colectivization or massive colectivization, workers self management of factories/stores/businesses, nationalization of the economy....

    Social Democracy does not intend to end with Capitalism. See the examples of Sweden and other nordic countries.

    Not distributism. That is something completely different and comes forth out of Catholic theology and Papal bulls like Rerum Novarum. It has nothing to do with godless Marxism.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    They get along very well to undermine democratic and capitalistic systems, they play on the same team. They just don't get along about the methods to achieve power but that is also part of the master strategy. Bottom line, social democracy opens the way to communism, in the long term that is the desired effect.
    Just as there are different strands of the Right - ranging from moderate conservatism to fascism to free-market libertarianism - so there are different strands of the Left, and many have an almost comical hatred of each other.

    Those have been corrupted and used as "Trojan Horses" of the communist strategy, make the citizens increasingly dependent of the statized economy/nanny state and devaluate work/private initiative by taxing them to death. Then you have the so desired effect, a large portion of the (state dependent) population will revolt against measures to make them contribute also. See how you perpetuate the "class struggle" narrative ?
    So what was your decidedly anti-Communist dictator Salazar thinking when he carried out an unprecedented building programme of schools and hospitals, drastically reducing illiteracy and poor health in the process? Btw, should we also privatise the army and police?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Rosa Luxembourg split from the SPD to form the Spartacus League. The SPD is the oldest still in active Marxist party in the world, it had at the time of Rosa Luxembourg, a Moderate wing composed similar to modern European/EU Social Democratic parties and a revolutionary/bolshevik faction composed lead by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg.

    Spartacus League would be the core movement that lead to the origin of the KPD (German Communist Party).

    Modern day Social Democracy has origins in the theories of Karl Kautsky, that just took away the Revolutionary methods of Marx, Engels and Lenin and developed a more distributionist way of economy.

    It does not support the Proletariat Dictatorship, colectivization or massive colectivization, workers self management of factories/stores/businesses, nationalization of the economy....

    Social Democracy does not intend to end with Capitalism. See the examples of Sweden and other nordic countries.
    Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Rosa Luxembourg split from the SPD to form the Spartacus League. The SPD is the oldest still in active Marxist party in the world, it had at the time of Rosa Luxembourg, a Moderate wing composed similar to modern European/EU Social Democratic parties and a revolutionary/bolshevik faction composed lead by Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxembourg.

    Spartacus League would be the core movement that lead to the origin of the KPD (German Communist Party).

    Modern day Social Democracy has origins in the theories of Karl Kautsky, that just took away the Revolutionary methods of Marx, Engels and Lenin and developed a more distributionist way of economy.

    It does not support the Proletariat Dictatorship, colectivization or massive colectivization, workers self management of factories/stores/businesses, nationalization of the economy....

    Social Democracy does not intend to end with Capitalism. See the examples of Sweden and other nordic countries.
    Social Democracy is not an end on itself, yes see what is Sweden becoming, it is OK to confiscate wealth in order to turn the population increasingly dependent on the state and import state dependent leeches.

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    The only difference between social democrats and communism is, essentially, in how to overthrow the state,the culture and the population as a whole. Group 1 seeks to undermine it slowly and hollow it out from the inside and then seize power using legal means. Group 2 seeks to overthrow the established order with force. They both use subversion for their goals: one where the populated is subverted until they are ready for a bloodless coup, and the other to weaken the enemy for a bloody coup by means of using the working class as mere muscle but make no mistake: they are both exactly the same.



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    Btw, Sebastianus Rex himself has drifted noticeably rightwards since coming back to the forum. Look at what he voted for and wrote here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5654214

    And before people think I am some sort of Stalinist/Maoist, here is what I wrote in the same thread: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post5654125

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebastianus Rex View Post
    Social Democracy is not an end on itself, yes see what is Sweden becoming, it is OK to confiscate wealth in order to turn the population increasingly dependent on the state and import state dependent leeches.
    Take for example most of the self declared "Socialist" Parties in Europe. Almost all of them are in reality, Social Democracy. Including "our" own Socialist Party (PS).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    The only difference between social democrats and communism is, essentially, in how to overthrow the state,the culture and the population as a whole. Group 1 seeks to undermine it slowly and hollow it out from the inside and then seize power using legal means. Group 2 seeks to overthrow the established order with force. They both use subversion for their goals: one where the populated is subverted until they are ready for a bloodless coup, and the other to weaken the enemy for a bloody coup by means of using the working class as mere muscle but make no mistake: they are both exactly the same.
    If that is the goal of Social Democracy, they are doing a terrible job for about 100 years in Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Take for example most of the self declared "Socialist" Parties in Europe. Almost all of them are in reality, Social Democracy. Including "our" own Socialist Party (PS).
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cernunnos View Post
    Take for example most of the self declared "Socialist" Parties in Europe. Almost all of them are in reality, Social Democracy. Including "our" own Socialist Party (PS).

    They just use the path of subversion rather than revolution. The old establishment was terrified of a revolution so they were armed to the teeth and the army was ready and waiting - but they looked away from the social democrats who they perceived to be as an "enemy" of Marxism and thus a "parliamentary ally" - not understanding that the fall-out between the two was mere window-dressing and that the social democrats were ready to stab the knife into society's back.



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