I got my official G25 coordinates

**Chris596** · 07-03-2020, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Leto

Hey brat, can you post your results from this one?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...G25-calculator

Hello, me or Yamnaya?

**Grace O'Malley** · 07-03-2020, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Really interesting. Now I have so many questions. I've seen WHG so many times but what does it mean exactly? Also, what's up with Anatolia and Yamnaya? And Han means Han Chinese?

Please tell me your opinion and I'm open to every useful information and tips

Scaled results

Distance to: Chris_scaled
0.02392174 Montenegrin
0.02519419 Bosnian
0.02739376 Romanian
0.02778235 Serbian
0.03071410 Croatian
0.03140491 Macedonian
0.03237265 Bulgarian
0.03543271 Slovenian
0.03566924 Hungarian
0.03577579 Moldavian

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 3.9207% / 0.03920668
41.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
39.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.8 WHG
7.6 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
2.0 Han

It is a great resource and well worth the small payment. Will look forward to you on all the G25 threads.

**Leto** · 07-03-2020, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Hello, me or Yamnaya?

Yamnaya (he is Russian so I'm especially interested in his results) but you are free to share yours as well.

**Chris596** · 07-03-2020, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley

It is a great resource and well worth the small payment. Will look forward to you on all the G25 threads.

Originally Posted by Leto

Yamnaya (he is Russian so I'm especially interested in his results) but you are free to share yours as well.

Thank you!

I ran out of thumbs ups for today lol, I will post ,,The another G25'' results now.

**Aren** · 07-03-2020, 03:10 PM

For a more modern approach try

DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
RUS_Sunghir_MA,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078 ,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
MNG_Hovsgol_BA,0.0479808,-0.3330937,0.0813422,0.0202496,-0.0764165,-0.0283612,-0.0030188,-0.0044198,0.0013844,-0.0044858,-0.0187622,-0.0040002,0.0030076,-0.0199763,0.0061181,0.0018562,-0.0031092,9.6e-06,0.0020015,0.0126599,-0.0325482,0.0075238,-0.0082481,-0.0047087,0.0002211

Maybe also add Rome_Imperial if the fit is bad.

**Chris596** · 07-03-2020, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Aren

For a more modern approach try

DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039 792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
RUS_Sunghir_MA,0.129758,0.116786,0.070899,0.060078 ,0.041238,0.018965,0.009165,0.011307,0.001432,-0.017859,0.000487,-0.008093,0.014271,0.023809,-0.014658,-0.005834,0.00013,-0.002154,0.000628,-0.001251,-0.007986,-0.005812,0.012695,-0.010724,-0.005868
HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.011 69,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
MNG_Hovsgol_BA,0.0479808,-0.3330937,0.0813422,0.0202496,-0.0764165,-0.0283612,-0.0030188,-0.0044198,0.0013844,-0.0044858,-0.0187622,-0.0040002,0.0030076,-0.0199763,0.0061181,0.0018562,-0.0031092,9.6e-06,0.0020015,0.0126599,-0.0325482,0.0075238,-0.0082481,-0.0047087,0.0002211

Maybe also add Rome_Imperial if the fit is bad.

Thanks, I did it, actually the fit is quite good in my opinion. No German, again

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.8630% / 0.02862998
49.8 RUS_Sunghir_MA
48.4 HRV_IA
1.8 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

I think I know what the rest means, I searched for Hovsgol, I assume it's a Mongolian sample? Then it makes sense.

**Aren** · 07-03-2020, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Chris596

Thanks, I did it, actually the fit is quite good in my opinion. No German, again

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.8630% / 0.02862998
49.8 RUS_Sunghir_MA
48.4 HRV_IA
1.8 MNG_Hovsgol_BA

I think I know what the rest means, I searched for Hovsgol, I assume it's a Mongolian sample? Then it makes sense.

Yeah, but I doubt that you don't have any Germanic admix from the Middle Ages. Looking at your intial post with that high Yamnaya score and relatively good fit(which is rare for highly Slavic mixed people due to their genetic drift) I think you got this from your Germanic side. But there's something missing in your results, the fit is too high with such recent samples IMO. Try maybe other southern shifted samples instead of HRV_IA.

**17571imre** · 07-03-2020, 03:54 PM

Chris you might also want to try out this model i got the idea from Kaspias:

Code:

East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.0215587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185

my results:
Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.7471% / 0.01747106
37.6 Slavic
31.8 East_Balkan
24.4 Germanic
4.0 West_Balkan
1.6 South_Balkan
0.6 Turkic

Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.8067% / 0.01806715 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 Slavic
31.2 East_Balkan
23.2 Germanic
11.8 West_Balkan

Mothers results:
Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.3622% / 0.02362247

53.8 Slavic
28.4 East_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.0 Turkic
1.2 South_Balkan

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.5401% / 0.02540054 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Slavic
43.8 East_Balkan
5.2 Germanic
0.4 Turkic

**Chris596** · 07-03-2020, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by 17571imre

Chris you might also want to try out this model i got the idea from Kaspias:

Code:

East_Balkan:BGR_IA,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
West_Balkan:HRV_IA,0.132035,0.151314,0.033941,-0.01615,0.024928,-0.005857,-0.006345,0.007154,0.003681,0.028976,0.001786,0.01169,-0.02111,-0.001376,-0.005972,-0.008486,-0.006519,0.004941,0.005531,-0.014257,-0.001872,0.00507,0.001479,0.00253,0.003353
East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.0215587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.0013295,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019,0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0.004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Turkic:RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142,0.087644,-0.090382,0.050534,0.031331,-0.036314,-0.008925,0.00376,0.007384,-0.009613,-0.016037,-0.007632,-0.001499,0.002527,-0.007019,-0.002172,-0.007425,-0.011735,0.004814,0.004022,-0.001,-0.004243,0.008779,0.001972,-0.00012,-0.002754
South_Balkan:GRC_Mycenaean,0.107847,0.1563915,-0.008108,-0.0646808,0.0216962,-0.0271222,-0.0005288,-0.0021345,0.00542,0.047336,0.005521,0.0169352,-0.012785,-0.0006195,-0.0163882,-0.0098118,0.0210245,0.0036108,0.0123188,-0.0039705,-0.0058648,0.0001858,-0.0065935,0.0011448,-0.0007185

my results:
Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.7471% / 0.01747106
37.6 Slavic
31.8 East_Balkan
24.4 Germanic
4.0 West_Balkan
1.6 South_Balkan
0.6 Turkic

Target: mh_scaled
Distance: 1.8067% / 0.01806715 | ADC: 0.25x
33.8 Slavic
31.2 East_Balkan
23.2 Germanic
11.8 West_Balkan

Mothers results:
Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.3622% / 0.02362247

53.8 Slavic
28.4 East_Balkan
9.6 Germanic
7.0 Turkic
1.2 South_Balkan

Target: cb_scaled
Distance: 2.5401% / 0.02540054 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 Slavic
43.8 East_Balkan
5.2 Germanic
0.4 Turkic

Alright my friend, here's what I get with this one:

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.2511% / 0.02251131
49.2 Slavic
37.2 East_Balkan
10.8 South_Balkan
2.8 Turkic

Target: Chris_scaled
Distance: 2.3302% / 0.02330246 | ADC: 0.25x
50.8 East_Balkan:Scythian_MDA
42.2 Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2
7.0 East_Balkan:BGR_IA

Your mom gets much more Turkic than me on this one

**Gründig** · 07-03-2020, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Aren

Yeah, but I doubt that you don't have any Germanic admix from the Middle Ages. Looking at your intial post with that high Yamnaya score and relatively good fit(which is rare for highly Slavic mixed people due to their genetic drift) I think you got this from your Germanic side. But there's something missing in your results, the fit is too high with such recent samples IMO. Try maybe other southern shifted samples instead of HRV_IA.

What’s a good fit for that model?