Dorian Invasion Debunked!?

[Epirus DNA]

Dr. Eric Cline believes the Dorian Invasion never happened.

Do you think Dr. Eric Cline is right or wrong?

Did the Dorian Invasion happen? What do you think?

YouTube Interview June 20, 2020
Mycenaean Greece and the Bronze Age Collapse
Dr. Eric Cline (Archaeologist / Historian / 1177 BC)

[Epirus DNA]

1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed (Eric Cline, PhD)

[Tauromachos]

Dorian invasion as a sudden massive violent intrusion of foreign Northern people such as the Slavic invasions in the Balkans
or Germanic in Italy did much likely not happen.
Everything known so far contradicts that, Archeology,Greek Mythology and genetics.

The Dorians might have fought with other Greek people but that was more a sort of internal rivalry between different groups or clans,castes of Greeks.
Most facts in particular genetics bespeak to that the Dorians were clearly Greek and closely related to other Greek people as it is also pointed
out in Ancient Greek mythology.

[Epirus DNA]

Dorian invasion as a sudden massive violent intrusion of foreign Northern people such as the Slavic invasions in the Balkans
or Germanic in Italy did much likely not happen.
Everything known so far contradicts that, Archeology,Greek Mythology and genetics.

The Dorians might have fought with other Greek people but that was more a sort of internal rivalry between different groups or clans,castes of Greeks.
Most facts in particular genetics bespeak to that the Dorians were clearly Greek and closely related to other Greek people as it is also pointed
out in Ancient Greek mythology.

What doesn't add up is why and how did a more primitive Greek 'doric' people become dominant in language dialect and topple the more sophisticated Mycenaean era if they did not invade and conquer.

[Tauromachos]

What doesn't add up is why and how did a more primitive Greek 'doric' people become dominant in language dialect and topple the more sophisticated Mycenaean era if they did not invade and conquer.

As you know probably the Doric dialect was not totally different from Mycanaean neither
Mycanaean has been shown to be the earliest form of Greek and Doric was another Greek dialect,so how different
could Dorians and Mycanaeans have been?

Civilizations decline sometimes when they are at the peak of their prosperity because citizens become lazy and decadent
another cause can be natural disastors or invading people or all these three things together.

The question for me is what you mean when you say the Dorians conquered or invaded the Mycanaeans?

I think most things bespeak that Dorians where natives from Greece they might have been originally North of Southern Greece Mycene in Central Greece or in Epiros and ascended from there but i do not think they were from the far North foreign invadors such as Slavs or Goths iof the Medieval

[Epirus DNA]

Everything known so far contradicts that, Archeology,Greek Mythology and genetics.

This ethnography is the best systematic research ever done on the Dorians.

Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...orian-Invasion

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion

N. G. L. Hammond
The Annual of the British School at Athens
Vol. 32 (1931/1932), pp. 131-179

[Epirus DNA]

The question for me is what you mean when you say the Dorians conquered or invaded the Mycanaeans?

I think most things bespeak that Dorians where natives from Greece they might have been originally North of Southern Greece Mycene
in Central Greece or in Epiros and ascended from there

Was it a Greek on Greek Invasion or a primitive, older Greek tribe Migration south? I'm looking for proof, either way.

[Tauromachos]

This ethnography is the best systematic research ever done on the Dorians.

Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...orian-Invasion

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Prehistoric Epirus and the Dorian Invasion

N. G. L. Hammond
The Annual of the British School at Athens
Vol. 32 (1931/1932), pp. 131-179

Greeks from Epiros ,yes maybe
My point is that they were not a foreign Northern people who came with a massive invasion into Greece
such as Slavs came into Balkans in the Medieval.

The texts you posted bespeaks to the Greek nature of the Dorians as well

[Mingle]

Greeks from Epiros ,yes maybe
My point is that they were not a foreign Northern people who came with a massive invasion into Greece
such as Slavs came into Balkans in the Medieval.

The texts you posted bespeaks to the Greek nature of the Dorians as well

You really hate Slavs, don't you. Most Slavs weren't violent invaders. The area was depopulated to a significant degree as a result of battles and plagues. Slavs were invited as settlers. There was some violence like with any large scale migration. It was probably similar to the Dorian migration in that manner (although Dorians are less foreign compared to Slavs, which is the main difference).

Was it a Greek on Greek Invasion or a primitive, older Greek tribe Migration south? I'm looking for proof, either way.

My guess is there was some sort of internal collapse (relating to the climate i.e. earthquakes/drought) and it made it easy for the Dorians to mass settle after.

Regarding Dorians being invaders, probably not like Dr. Cline said. But its a bit of a nitpick IMO. The fact is there was a large scale migration and that's what mainly matters.

[Epirus DNA]

Greeks from Epiros ,yes maybe
My point is that they were not a foreign Northern people who came with a massive invasion into Greece
such as Slavs came into Balkans in the Medieval.

The texts you posted bespeaks to the Greek nature of the Dorians as well

Yes, I agree. They were Greeks, not a foreign Northern people. However, it was an invasion nonetheless. Not a massive invasion, but a series of migrations, wars, and battles. The evidence is clearly laid out by N. G. L. Hammond.